avantair.......union? Is it time.....again?

[SharkBait]

Yea, I know, I don't like unions either.

I'm just wary of them because I came from a place that had the phrase "to the extent possible" all over the contract. That translated into "Let's (mgmt) do whatever we want." When the pilots grieved the violation, it took several months to get to arbitration and many times the grievences were negotiated away to supposedly prevent future violations.

My point being if my interests/needs (family, QOL and such) are best met with direct communication I would prefer that. If I need a middleman to help protect my interests I will gladly pay/help for that service.

 

[Corona]

For all curious pilots...avantair is not a bad place to work.

U kidding? Two pilots thrown on the altar to please shareholders (allegedly)? The writing is on the wall; noone wants to work at a place where their career can be threatened. You are correct, though, you do need a union.

C

 

[Bruno06]

Avantair is run by lawyers.
All pilots had to sign new contracts this year basically stating they don't need a reason to fire anyone. If you don't sign, you don't have a job.
Avantair gave these pilots the choice to resign or be fired all before the NTSB or FAA reports were complete.
It's no surprise Avantair's priority is to butter up the sharholders, feed them with BS, tell them they fired the pilots responsible. Pilot error.....always the reason for an accident right??? Couldn't possibly be a maintenance issue!!!! We need a union, we need one now. Avantair's growth has made us more dispensible, we're just numbers, easily replaceable and you could be fired tomorrow for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's a shame these guys had to take the fall.

 

[myrealnameis]

Couldn't possibly be a maintenance issue!!!!

More like a design issue, or lack there of. Everyone that flies these things knows the brakes have always been an issue and I bet were contributing factors in the accident.

 

[brewerdog]

the breaks should be antilock, and directional control can get squirlly if used to much, we need to get a statement from ops to let pilots know what happened

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

More like a design issue, or lack there of. Everyone that flies these things knows the brakes have always been an issue and I bet were contributing factors in the accident.

I'm not trying to flame here, but what do brakes have to do with a gear collapse?

 

[fs77]

locked brakes shouldn't have anthing to do with a gear folding unless the design is flawed, imho.

 

[myrealnameis]

If the brakes locked up and the plane got a little out of shape, ie. sideways causing an extreme sideload that could easily exceed the intended design limits of the main gear.
By the way this airplane is suposed to have an antiskid system.

 

[brewerdog]

not really a break problem, I ment to say the reverse (beta) range can throw some crazy air across the rudder if used too much

 

[oneeye_169]

i would like to speculate on the brakes and figure out what happened just like mgmt, but until the proper reports come out... WHICH THEY HAVEN'T, then the only thing i care about is why these guys got ousted for nothing. i also want to know why they didn't have any support from the guys in the room who are supposed to be a voice for them. no more promises or attempted buttering up for me. the list of reasons for a union just keep on growing. its time for a union, and i hope proper progress is being made to get to vote one in.

 

[oneeye_169]

another thing, i don't think the pilots here are dumb enough to fall for whats going on. the pilots who have been getting complimented these past days do deserve it. i think however, it is just being done to try to offset the damage of forcing those two pilots to resign. i feel kind of insulted if that was the intended gesture. which i feel it is.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

another thing, i don't think the pilots here are dumb enough to fall for whats going on. the pilots who have been getting complimented these past days do deserve it. i think however, it is just being done to try to offset the damage of forcing those two pilots to resign. i feel kind of insulted if that was the intended gesture. which i feel it is.

Yeah- it's called a redirect. Avantair is famous for it.

 

[Economy101]

Well...in my opinion I think C.M. is gay, therefore you definitely need a union!

 

[Economy101]

I guess you could say I am bitter at some people at Avantair because they thought it was funny for me to fly myself down to FL and waste my time with an interview when they knew damn well they weren't going to ever offer me a job! In fact I had a panel interview! 3 people sat there and asked me questions I bet those a-holes couldn't even answer if they hadn't looked up the answer themselves. I was even briefed that I shouldn't post what they asked me here because they want to truly try and hire quality pilots. What does that have to do with this thread you ask? Well from what I understand they just forced some quality pilots to resign because a main gear collaped while taxiing in. I was working for a union at another company and it was made very clear to me that any union activities would be thwarted at all costs. The limited exposure I've had with C.M. and E.P. was very disappointing. I say you guys sign the cards and get yourself protected and do it quickly! Who is to say you won't be next? From what I understand the conract at netjets is pretty good! Somebody needs to call the teamsters and get that ball rolling! I'd even call ALPA. I'm sure they would love to get their hands on a fractional. Need the dues!!!

 

[Bruno06]

During the conference call management wouldn't comment on the FLL incident, due to the investigation being on-going, so how could they fire the pilots involved?? Don't comment, redirect focus and the problem goes away. Do they think we're stupid!
I guess if anyone finds themselves in a difficult situation they could always get support from the pilot committee!!!!! Who needs a union with them backing you?