Anderson to align capacity with demand

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My opinion is ....

Compass pilots should be Compass pilots, so Delta pilots at Compass will remain Delta pilots. It also means the Delta fleet would grow by 36 airplanes and provide a foot hold in taking back some of the Section 1 provisions which got taken during bankruptcy.

 

[FBN0223]

Alright FINS, good point. It would have been a more feasible flow-down for many if the pay rates would have reflected longevity. I am trying to figure out how Delta pilots that end up on the bottom half of the Compass list are going to make it worth their time to show up for work 18 days a month for 20k/year. That was NWA MEC's doing.

 

[IAHERJ]

I think this might be just the beginning of several other airline announcements for Fall cuts, mine included. Before we all go throwing bombs at pilots of competing airlines, let's take a deep breath, remember why we all got into this business, and realize that any pilots out of jobs at any airline is bad for all of us. I have a lot of Delta pilot friends. I hope any cuts are short lived and that a nice early out package will take care of the staffing needs through attrition.

IAHERJ

 

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I am trying to figure out how Delta pilots that end up on the bottom half of the Compass list are going to make it worth their time to show up for work 18 days a month for 20k/year. That was NWA MEC's doing.

Clearly understood. The very least we could do for them is to let them wear their Delta uniforms while flying Delta passengers.

Last furlough we had guys flying at ASA who left $115 an hour to fly for $18.35 with the same Delta passengers in the back of the airplane. I hope we learned something.

 

[dwhsunday]

So why represent Compass at all. Am I out to lunch or should the DL ALPA just represent Delta pilots?

Well as of my last pay stub I have given the DAL MEC over 400 dollars. That money could be used for my savings or staring our own MEC.

 

[ThisistheDream]

If it comes down to layoffs, and the flowdown is offered, I dont see many taking it even more so if you have to commute!!!!. I wouldnt be surprised if the DAL mgt feels the same way. I dont think mgt is to worried or threaten about the costs that MAY occur if furloughs happen and they have to flow down some DAL/NWA pilots to Compass. They only have to flow down 20 a month at a time, so if they 360 pilots, what compass roughly has now, that would take 1 1/2 years to accomplish if not more.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

That's O.K. The Mexican gimp you keep in the basement will lick your taint properly when you learn to say "clockwise" in spanish.... You will be in a much better mood by then, Gen!

That mexican gimp you refer to, is one of your fathers!
Easy kid. You should be nicer to your family. Especially since you're living off that McDonalds pay!

I think this might be just the beginning of several other airline announcements for Fall cuts, mine included. Before we all go throwing bombs at pilots of competing airlines, let's take a deep breath, remember why we all got into this business, and realize that any pilots out of jobs at any airline is bad for all of us. I have a lot of Delta pilot friends. I hope any cuts are short lived and that a nice early out package will take care of the staffing needs through attrition.

IAHERJ

I just tried to take a deep breath but couldn't. crj567's mom was sitting on my face, and I couldn't even hear anything!:laugh:
Put that woman on a diet crj. I have no idea how she doesn't tip over the trailer!

 

[Redmeat]

Alright FINS, good point. It would have been a more feasible flow-down for many if the pay rates would have reflected longevity. I am trying to figure out how Delta pilots that end up on the bottom half of the Compass list are going to make it worth their time to show up for work 18 days a month for 20k/year. That was NWA MEC's doing.

The day I see a 'Delta south' guy flying a Compass jet, I will have to take myself off the trip I will be laughing so hard...

Yours truly,
North Guy...

 

[Whine Lover]

" Anderson to align capacity with demand "

Read as:

"Anderson to align his dick with your sphincter"

I see " A Bad Moon Arising"...

 

[crj567]

Which is what might happen to you coming up here thanks to bad hedges. Just wait until you merge with United, and you will see what type of losses occur during mergers.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You are the biggest MORON in the history of the planet! You were just crowing about all the money megers SAVE!!!!!!

-Now you think mergers are all about losing Billions (which you seem to be very adept at.)

-Which is it, Gen? What the hell happened to all the "synergies" you were touting? Did I not very specifically identify such "synergies" as complete bullsheit?????

-Ba-Ba-Ba-Billions!
-FOOL!

 

[crj567]

I know you were flaming... but there is a lot of truth to the statement.

The difference this time around is that Delta reacts much more quickly to market conditions. Delta's management is much more operationally focused and unlike Delta's old management (and United's current management) is less focused on harvard'esque case studies by 28 year old MBA's who had never been in airline ops. Now Delta is being run by 50 somethings with a lot of PIC time in the equipment.

I think Delta always has to be on guard for creeping arrogance. Yes, we are the biggest. Yes, we are well positioned, BUT we are at the mercy of each and every customer we serve. We need their business.

I think many of your points are vaild-except two:

-The first being who runs Delta now. It is good that the company dumped out many of the Harvard MBAs who came in on the Mullin gravy train. Those guys were incompetant and wasted tons of money. The only thing worse is what you now have... All the new upper mgmt is from NWA. There is no worse track record among any modern airline than the one earned by NWA mgmt (as far as mgmt-employee relations go.) These NWA guys are smart in some ways, but they are mean as hell! It may take a while to become obvious-but these are not good people-they are just waiting to screw you!

-The second point I disagree with is "creeping arrogance." The arrogance of DAL mgmt. is "creeping" about like a cheetah "creeps" after a fleeing gazelle. DAL has become the 800lb gorilla-and mgmt. has no idea what the hell is customer is about. I can tell you all about many customers who are pissed-they are very pissed about flying around in crappy old Saab 340s in the middle of the summer. They will jump on the first option that comes along. (Have you noticed how Allegiant is showing up at more and more of these places?)
*That-General Lee is what you call a first-class-ass-kicking, knocking right on your door.
-Sweat your pink butt off just once in a 135 degree Saab 340, and watch how fast you can find that AirTran or Allegiant site the next time your travel needs arise!

-I know many people in many departments at Delta-and what I hear astounds me. You should listen to these warnings. These new NWA tools are gonna wreck the place (they hijacked the board and all the important upper management positions.) The are trying hard piss off the entire customer base as well as the employees. The old Delta was once famous for great service-the new NWA is pissing on its grave.

-INTL is cratering (after a tremedous cash outlay,) and domestic is slipping more and more to SWA, Allegiant, and AirTran. Not exactly an enviable job these NWA clowns are performing so far.

 

[Superpilot92]

This message is hidden because crj567 is on your ignore list.

The best function on this forum

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am not to sure of that. Remember that you are getting the version of a person that has been at DAL for a very long time. They are going to be peeved the way these Northerners, err Texan are run things. It is different than the way it has been done. They are not used to being told to kiss the good ole boys network in the six.

I will agree that it is a different Delta.

 

[dtfl]

Post of the Month!

-Awesome!!!

You do know you are a dick right?

ACL has been the most informed AND informative and one of if not THE most non-confrontational folks on this and AP Forums.....you on the other hand are a dick.

 

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I've watched a few of Anderson's televised meetings and talked to many people he interacts with. Thus far, he says and does the right things. What he writes is intelligent, insightful, pragmatic and very respectful of Delta's culture.

CRJ567, passengers would like it if we flew 747-400's to Birmingham, even if it took them 45 minutes to de-plane. It just is not realistic. I was around when the Saabs and E120's replaced the Bandeirante and everyone loved them. Then folks loved the CRJ for a few years until it was no longer good enough.

Fact is the turboprops make more sense on most of these <400nm routes than the jets do. It would make sense to me to order a few new Dash 8's or ATR's for the fleet. When passengers understand a ATR burns 1/3 the gas of a CRJ-700 and gets them to their destination in larger seats with a bigger cabin and less polution, maybe they would begin to understand these are thoroughly modern and much more recent designs than the Allegiant MD82 down the ramp.