Anderson to align capacity with demand

[ACL65PILOT]

Ohh, You GOT ME!

-Your cutting wit! Your gifted prose! Your almost Shakespearian mastery of language!!! What a beautiful masterwork of insult!
-I am a "DICK!"
-WOW!

ACL65 is only here to stroke his own ego and pretend that he has the "inside line" on this or is "in the know" on that. Sad-really, but believe what you wish.

Have you ever heard of "insider trading?" Go look it up, and you will see that about 1/2 of the things ACL claims to have knowledge of fall into this category-hence-he is full of crap.

-But I am a "DICK." I bow to your obvious mastery of the skill of the insult.

My gosh. It is not insider trading. Get real. Now if I could give you the date of the Alaska deal, or the date they are going to terminate your ASA contract, that would be insider trading.
Talking about displacements et al, is not insider trading. Talking about staffing levels, which anyone who has access to our crew software that all crews use, and could extrapolate if they so desired, talking about displacements and capacity cuts, that if you went on Delta.com and saw ticket prices and backed up the loads, is not insider trading. Heck our esteemed leaders talk about current and future bookings at the crew lounge visits, they talk about pricing power etc. I dare you to walk in there on the A concourse on a Wed (sometimes Thursday) in your ASA uniform.
You can chalk it up to conjure if you wish. I am still trying to figure out why you are so bitter. There is no way I could go though life with half of your anger.

 

[lineflyer1]

No worries mainline.

You are safe from furloughs. I just heard Delta is going to reduce Comair, ASA, Skywest flying by 20-30 percent and increase domestic mainline flying as necassary to prevent furloughs at mainline.

Let the regionals furlough instead!

 

[Klr2land]

No worries mainline.

You are safe from furloughs. I just heard Delta is going to reduce Comair, ASA, Skywest flying by 20-30 percent and increase domestic mainline flying as necassary to prevent furloughs at mainline.

Let the regionals furlough instead!

You heard wrong.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

This cut was not domestic.

I will agree that there will be 100 less 50 seaters around in the next year though.

 

[Fly4hire]

As I understand it, there will be a displacement bid in Aug. What size is yet to be determined.

Wanna bet it is a combined bid that covers both groups?

I think there will be a lot less pain in letting groups cross bid now for post SOC training. For those that cry at the pain of impending DAL-N getting into DAL acft now, it's either one 1 or 2 bids away regardless, and if we do a separate now displacement bid we will have far more unfrozen DAL-N pilots to exercise their seniority later.

Hate to bring this ugly bit of info, but right now with S new hires in the 76ER in JFK, DAL could actually furlough right off of the the ER, where the bulk of the cuts seem to be. Open up cross bidding now and those pilots could displace into a DC9 instead of CPZ.

 

[Captain X]

So does that mean he's also gonna align prices with cost?

 

[avrodriver]

Hate to bring this ugly bit of info, but right now with S new hires in the 76ER in JFK, DAL could actually furlough right off of the the ER, where the bulk of the cuts seem to be. Open up cross bidding now and those pilots could displace into a DC9 instead of CPZ.

Of the current NYC ER ranks about 130 guys have 07/08 hire dates.

The most junior of those is about 330 from the bottom and the most senior is about 1160 from the bottom of the combined list.

They'd have to furlough quite a few to get to any of the ER guys.

It would make sense to just go ahead and displace some of these guys now though. They most likely would be displaced after SOC anyway so might as well put them where they are actually needed now if the ER is going to end up overstaffed from these latest reductions.

Personally I think they will keep the lists separate for any downsizing. If you look at the list even if you went in seniority order the amount would be equal from both sides if they did anything more than the bottom 200 or so (the bottom is a little funky with a lot of DAL guys, but it averages out as the number increases).

As much as management as well as ourselves probably can't wait to see where we fall on the big list aircraft/position-wise i think the points being made that there are no firm dates on SOC and everything is subject to government surprises are valid.

They can still get the job done without overcomplicating things with a premature joint bid.

 

[PuffDriver]

-But I am a "DICK." I bow to your obvious mastery of the skill of the insult.

You finally said something that made sense. You're just lucky that I have been ignoring you. Might have to revisit that.

 

[~~~^~~~]

So does that mean he's also gonna align prices with cost?

That's the idea. Problem is that Virgin and some of the others aren't in the business to make a profit. Branson wants to take out United, or Delta, and is subsidizing Virgin America specifically to undermine our domestic revenues in an effort to force US carriers to be less competitive head to head on his transoceanic operations.

 

[jmreii]

That's the idea. Problem is that Virgin and some of the others aren't in the business to make a profit. Branson wants to take out United, or Delta, and is subsidizing Virgin America specifically to undermine our domestic revenues in an effort to force US carriers to be less competitive head to head on his transoceanic operations.

Nothing personal mugsy, just business!

 

[Monster Buck]

Of the current NYC ER ranks about 130 guys have 07/08 hire dates.

The most junior of those is about 330 from the bottom and the most senior is about 1160 from the bottom of the combined list.

They'd have to furlough quite a few to get to any of the ER guys.

It would make sense to just go ahead and displace some of these guys now though. They most likely would be displaced after SOC anyway so might as well put them where they are actually needed now if the ER is going to end up overstaffed from these latest reductions.

Personally I think they will keep the lists separate for any downsizing. If you look at the list even if you went in seniority order the amount would be equal from both sides if they did anything more than the bottom 200 or so (the bottom is a little funky with a lot of DAL guys, but it averages out as the number increases).

As much as management as well as ourselves probably can't wait to see where we fall on the big list aircraft/position-wise i think the points being made that there are no firm dates on SOC and everything is subject to government surprises are valid.

They can still get the job done without overcomplicating things with a premature joint bid.

Our last class was 5/08.

 

[avrodriver]

Our last class was 5/08.

Well we definitely didn't hire 130 guys in one month ever in this last round of hiring and they all certainly didn't go to the ER.

07/08 was meant to be mean 2007/2008 dates....it's too late to edit. Thanks though!

 

[Monster Buck]

Sorry, I didn't get it. It won't be the last time. The month before me they did hire about 100. Those were the good days huh!?

 

[Noserider76]

That's the idea. Problem is that Virgin and some of the others aren't in the business to make a profit. Branson wants to take out United, or Delta, and is subsidizing Virgin America specifically to undermine our domestic revenues in an effort to force US carriers to be less competitive head to head on his transoceanic operations.

I've always wondered why DL doesn't use it's aircraft size to it's advantage and run much bigger planes on high load markets against competitors that can't. Run big, lower CASM airplanes and undercut ticket prices until your competition can't stand it. Cutting seats to try and maintain yields has allowed carriers like this to get a foot hold.

 

[~~~^~~~]

It has been tried, but the concept of losing $10 a passenger and making it up in volume did not work so well when Mullin was proudly professing that Delta's balance sheet would let us run the rest of the industry into insolvency. None the less, there are some markets where Delta will go head to head with a better product and lower CASM.

Also, if you look at the CASM, some of the big jets configured for long haul would get slaughtered by 737-700's. The only real clear cut advantage for that type of competition is the 757-300. Nothing in the Delta fleet (or a LCC's fleet, can match it).

I think at some point Delta will buy a 777-300 to get cost effective wide body equipment on some routes, but that will be off in the future when there is demand for that capacity.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It has been tried, but the concept of losing $10 a passenger and making it up in volume did not work so well when Mullin was proudly professing that Delta's balance sheet would let us run the rest of the industry into insolvency. None the less, there are some markets where Delta will go head to head with a better product and lower CASM.

Also, if you look at the CASM, some of the big jets configured for long haul would get slaughtered by 737-700's. The only real clear cut advantage for that type of competition is the 757-300. Nothing in the Delta fleet (or a LCC's fleet, can match it).

I think at some point Delta will buy a 777-300 to get cost effective wide body equipment on some routes, but that will be off in the future when there is demand for that capacity.

My crystal ball says 18 months (Dec 2010) for that big 777.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Yep.. and say bye-bye to the 747-400s.

 

[Linedriver]

What is the difference between the 777-300 and the ones we have now? Is it range? If it is, why would we get it? We don't top the ones we have off now - or so I've been told.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Go look at the specs of the 777-300. It makes the 777-200 look like a 757 when sitting next to a 767. It is a lot bigger, carriers a lot more, but does not go quite as far as the new 200's we are getting.

 

[Sinca3]

What is the difference between the 777-300 and the ones we have now? Is it range? If it is, why would we get it? We don't top the ones we have off now - or so I've been told.

Seats....300 is stretched for more seats.