Anderson to align capacity with demand

[ACL65PILOT]

That really depends on which scenario takes place. Do you mean NWA side, Delta side or combined? The lists we have now do not include Date of Hire to avoid just these sorts of comparisons and the lists made immediately after the merger are no longer completely accurate.

One theory going around is a furlough prior to SOC off just the Delta side for practical reasons (as NWA equipment is being used to back fill D

As much as I hate to agree with you. I can see them doing this if there is no other choice.
It would be ugly but it would get the job done.

The other theory is that they would put NWA flying on DAL jets to even that out, and in the end taking from the bottom of the list.
As always politics are ugly.

 

[Superpilot92]

Days of our Delta Lives, the new reality show. We're worse than a bunch of highschool cheerleaders with all this drama.

There is still a lot that has to happen before the company's going to drop the hammer. We'll see

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yeah ... . official word is that "there will be no furloughs, but that's not official, anything could happen."

 

[Superpilot92]

True - and a bunch of high school cheerleaders would be a lot more fun. But, don't they put guys like me in jail for that? If not, I've got to go buy one of those new Camaros.

For the sake of argument, we'll change the discussion to college cheerleaders You don't need a camaro, just get a GTO and you'll be set See my avatar for details, they seem to just cling to the car but beware, you'll need to bring a broomstick with you to beat them off during the summer :beer:

 

[~~~^~~~]

You're kidding... that's not really your (ahem) car, is it? I've always respected you, but now you are up there with my other hero - Smiling Bob.

 

[FBN0223]

And to top it off, our DL MEC also represents a group of non-Delta pilots. So we'll get to go through the trials and tribulations involved with displacements and furloughs while also keeping in mind what's best for a the Compass guys and gals.

 

[~~~^~~~]

What? You're kidding right?

Our MEC blows off the bottom 1/3rd the list. What make you think they'd listen to the bottom 0.024 who are not even on the list, who are split amongst three bases?

 

[Superpilot92]

You're kidding... that's not really your (ahem) car, is it? I've always respected you, but now you are up there with my other hero - Smiling Bob.

Wait a minute!! There's a car in that picture?????

:beer:

 

[EWR_FO]

Which is what might happen to you coming up here thanks to bad hedges. Just wait until you merge with United, and you will see what type of losses occur during mergers.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You do understand how the hedging process works, right? If you don't exercise the right, you lose the money you spent for the right to buy the commodity. It appears you think you are locked into purchasing ALL your needs at whatever price the contract was. Losing billions due to fuel hedging, or lack thereof, is a mathematical impossibility, do the math.

If a merger with United made sense, it would have been already done. One of the big reasons for Continental's success was the fact that Bethune streamlined it down to three aircraft types, NONE of which are compatible with United due to the type of engines they have. The more aircraft types you have, the more you spend- whether they are paid for or not. When you cut through all the bull**it and actually look at the facts, if it doesn't look like easy money to do a merger, the money guys won't go. If you actually think that the management of Delta/NW would leave money behind because they felt bad about the employees, you are smoking crack. Leo Mullin's famous quote from Super Bowl Sunday sums it up, "You mean this deal fell apart over labor?" He was incredulous that a bunch of piss ant hourly workers screwed up his payday.

I'm no fan of Continental management but at least you can say they have a track record, the jury is still out on the management of Delta/NW. One of my best friends is a NW A330 FO so I genuinely hope everything works out, he doesn't sound overly impressed so far.

 

[FBN0223]

What? You're kidding right?

Our MEC blows off the bottom 1/3rd the list. What make you think they'd listen to the bottom 0.024 who are not even on the list, who are split amongst three bases?

So why represent Compass at all. Am I out to lunch or should the DL ALPA just represent Delta pilots?

 

[~~~^~~~]

My opinion is ....

Compass pilots should be Compass pilots, so Delta pilots at Compass will remain Delta pilots. It also means the Delta fleet would grow by 36 airplanes and provide a foot hold in taking back some of the Section 1 provisions which got taken during bankruptcy.

 

[FBN0223]

Alright FINS, good point. It would have been a more feasible flow-down for many if the pay rates would have reflected longevity. I am trying to figure out how Delta pilots that end up on the bottom half of the Compass list are going to make it worth their time to show up for work 18 days a month for 20k/year. That was NWA MEC's doing.

 

[IAHERJ]

I think this might be just the beginning of several other airline announcements for Fall cuts, mine included. Before we all go throwing bombs at pilots of competing airlines, let's take a deep breath, remember why we all got into this business, and realize that any pilots out of jobs at any airline is bad for all of us. I have a lot of Delta pilot friends. I hope any cuts are short lived and that a nice early out package will take care of the staffing needs through attrition.

IAHERJ

 

[~~~^~~~]

I am trying to figure out how Delta pilots that end up on the bottom half of the Compass list are going to make it worth their time to show up for work 18 days a month for 20k/year. That was NWA MEC's doing.

Clearly understood. The very least we could do for them is to let them wear their Delta uniforms while flying Delta passengers.

Last furlough we had guys flying at ASA who left $115 an hour to fly for $18.35 with the same Delta passengers in the back of the airplane. I hope we learned something.

 

[dwhsunday]

So why represent Compass at all. Am I out to lunch or should the DL ALPA just represent Delta pilots?

Well as of my last pay stub I have given the DAL MEC over 400 dollars. That money could be used for my savings or staring our own MEC.

 

[ThisistheDream]

If it comes down to layoffs, and the flowdown is offered, I dont see many taking it even more so if you have to commute!!!!. I wouldnt be surprised if the DAL mgt feels the same way. I dont think mgt is to worried or threaten about the costs that MAY occur if furloughs happen and they have to flow down some DAL/NWA pilots to Compass. They only have to flow down 20 a month at a time, so if they 360 pilots, what compass roughly has now, that would take 1 1/2 years to accomplish if not more.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

That's O.K. The Mexican gimp you keep in the basement will lick your taint properly when you learn to say "clockwise" in spanish.... You will be in a much better mood by then, Gen!

That mexican gimp you refer to, is one of your fathers!
Easy kid. You should be nicer to your family. Especially since you're living off that McDonalds pay!

I think this might be just the beginning of several other airline announcements for Fall cuts, mine included. Before we all go throwing bombs at pilots of competing airlines, let's take a deep breath, remember why we all got into this business, and realize that any pilots out of jobs at any airline is bad for all of us. I have a lot of Delta pilot friends. I hope any cuts are short lived and that a nice early out package will take care of the staffing needs through attrition.

IAHERJ

I just tried to take a deep breath but couldn't. crj567's mom was sitting on my face, and I couldn't even hear anything!:laugh:
Put that woman on a diet crj. I have no idea how she doesn't tip over the trailer!

 

[Redmeat]

Alright FINS, good point. It would have been a more feasible flow-down for many if the pay rates would have reflected longevity. I am trying to figure out how Delta pilots that end up on the bottom half of the Compass list are going to make it worth their time to show up for work 18 days a month for 20k/year. That was NWA MEC's doing.

The day I see a 'Delta south' guy flying a Compass jet, I will have to take myself off the trip I will be laughing so hard...

Yours truly,
North Guy...

 

[Whine Lover]

" Anderson to align capacity with demand "

Read as:

"Anderson to align his dick with your sphincter"

I see " A Bad Moon Arising"...

 

[crj567]

Which is what might happen to you coming up here thanks to bad hedges. Just wait until you merge with United, and you will see what type of losses occur during mergers.


Bye Bye--General Lee

You are the biggest MORON in the history of the planet! You were just crowing about all the money megers SAVE!!!!!!

-Now you think mergers are all about losing Billions (which you seem to be very adept at.)

-Which is it, Gen? What the hell happened to all the "synergies" you were touting? Did I not very specifically identify such "synergies" as complete bullsheit?????

-Ba-Ba-Ba-Billions!
-FOOL!