ALPA MEC tells Gary Kelly no thanks..again

[GuppyWN]

Finite time period; applied only until the end of the 717 leases. The Airtran 10k stated that 717 leases are up to 10 years. The first 717 was leased in 1999.

Edit: I'm sure that the 717 pilots could get their choice of relative seniority or date of hire at the acquiring carrier. They'd probably take a pay cut but they've already stated that pay doesn't matter; it's all about seniority.

While I may agree with your theory in concept I would be highly suspect of the attitude of the crews knowing there time was limited and how that would transfer to the Southwest Customer that I so dearly appreciate. Matter of fact I already put that very near the top of my list of concerns going forward.

Gup

 

[mt2]

Nothing you would not be doing if the shoe was on the other foot.

And it was just a few years ago. Air Tran wanted to buy ATA's MDW gates and assets and build up a MDW hub. They couldn't get enough AT people together to do that overnight so their offer to ATA pilots and FA's was despicable: ATA's people could continue to fly the "new" Air Tran routes out of MDW but only until Air Tran got their own people hired/upgraded to take over. The ATA people would then get preferential interviews.....wow, what a deal. Instead Herb came in and struck a different deal, keeping ATA peeps employed for way longer than the Air Tran plan would have.

My how attitudes change when the shoe is on the other foot !!

 

[thruthemurk]

..... The ATA people would then get preferential interviews.....wow, what a deal. Instead Herb came in and struck a different deal, keeping ATA peeps employed for way longer than the Air Tran plan would have.....

My how attitudes change when the shoe is on the other foot !!

Yeah, Herb is truly a God. I bet those ATA employees that kept their jobs longer before they were sh!tcanned just worship his name every day. I know pilots that feel blessed by their preferential interview. How many were hired again?

 

[kwick]

They are trying to play hardball with SWAPA and Gary. I would say that Gary is pretty close to showing them the door. Does he really want this type of divisiveness at Southwest? I'm pretty sure he's thinking it over.

Or he can treat his new employees
with the wisdom of "The Golden Rule"
He claims to be a religious man, if
he makes the effort to have a fair SLI,
Southwest benefits in the long run.

 

[scoreboardII]

Or he can treat his new employees
with the wisdom of "The Golden Rule"
He claims to be a religious man, if
he makes the effort to have a fair SLI,
Southwest benefits in the long run.

I'll say it once more, that rule works both ways, so who has said no twice now?

 

[runner46]

The aai mec did not deny any request for a 6 month extension. I asked the whole mec this specific question yesterday. Swapa asked for the request and mediator Dana eischon denied their request. Swa and aai want this wrapped up. Swapa is trying to delay.

 

[Bake]

Or he can treat his new employees
with the wisdom of "The Golden Rule"
He claims to be a religious man, if
he makes the effort to have a fair SLI,
Southwest benefits in the long run.

Kwick, so let me ask you this. If he doesn't make an effort to have what YOU consider to be a FAIR SLI, he is not a religious man? Is that correct or did you have a different meaning?

 

[Cruncher]

Runner,

This was taken from our official correspondence:

... During our [NC] meeting we learned that Southwest Airlines has requested a 6-month delay in the arbitration process and ALPA turned down their request. ...

So either our NC is blatantly lying to the entire SWAPA membership, or your MEC is trying to save a little face talking with 1 guy.

Also, why would Mr. Eischen have anything to do with an extension, unless of course he has a new Porsche payment coming up and needs the $$ now!

The extension was asked of ATN-ALPA by SWA and ATN-ALPA denied said request. But by all means, believe whatever you want.

 

[redflyer65]

Cruncher,

I tink you nailed it. The MEC is going to deny this until the cows come home. Maybe a statement from Mr Kelly would clear things up.....yet again.

RF

 

[roughneck]

I trust SWAPA and SWA. ALPA declined the offer according to a SWA management pilot I know. Not the smartest move considering GK's concern about the economy. ALPA keeps making Gary's decisions easier.

 

[USMC319]

Oooohhh, you guys got Eischen. SWAPA better make sure he's not the arbitrator or they will be hosed big time. He is very smart but delusional. Make sure to do a three man panel.

 

[HalinTexas]

And it was just a few years ago. Air Tran wanted to buy ATA's MDW gates and assets and build up a MDW hub. They couldn't get enough AT people together to do that overnight so their offer to ATA pilots and FA's was despicable: ATA's people could continue to fly the "new" Air Tran routes out of MDW but only until Air Tran got their own people hired/upgraded to take over. The ATA people would then get preferential interviews.....wow, what a deal. Instead Herb came in and struck a different deal, keeping ATA peeps employed for way longer than the Air Tran plan would have.

My how attitudes change when the shoe is on the other foot !!

NOT true.

After the FL offer, and before the WN offer, HP (AWA) came in with an offer. It was accepted. However, mysteriously, after all parties agreed to terms, including the financing, the financing people backed out. I can't remember, but I think it was TPG that backed out. We were told that it was because Parker didn't really want the B737-800s, but that was not confirmed. What is true is that within a couple of days Herb called George up with an offer. Rumors abounded that Herb had something to do with it. George tells the employees he was going to go back to the FL offer had the WN deal not come about. This was during our concessionary talks.

FL would have "pillaged" ATA.

WN actually did.

Nothing personal. It's just the airline business.

 

[jonjuan]

I'll say it once more, that rule works both ways, so who has said no twice now?

Leadership and respect starts from the top.

 

[vixin]

There is a 3 person panel.

 

[slaquer5]

Oooohhh, you guys got Eischen. SWAPA better make sure he's not the arbitrator or they will be hosed big time. He is very smart but delusional. Make sure to do a three man panel.

Are you 100% idiot, or just crawl out from under a rock? I have see you post, so I know you are not new to the SWA forums