ALPA MEC tells Gary Kelly no thanks..again

[mt2]

NOT true.

After the FL offer, and before the WN offer, HP (AWA) came in with an offer. It was accepted. However, mysteriously, after all parties agreed to terms, including the financing, the financing people backed out. I can't remember, but I think it was TPG that backed out. We were told that it was because Parker didn't really want the B737-800s, but that was not confirmed. What is true is that within a couple of days Herb called George up with an offer. Rumors abounded that Herb had something to do with it. George tells the employees he was going to go back to the FL offer had the WN deal not come about. This was during our concessionary talks.

FL would have "pillaged" ATA.

WN actually did.

Nothing personal. It's just the airline business.

Only partially true, partially conjecture. The AWA deal was scuttled before the AT deal. It was deal that never made it beyond the preliminary stage. Eventually AWA backed out because Boeing wouldn't redo the 757-300 and newer -200ER lease deals and AWA said they were a necessary part of the package. What I said about the AT "deal" was in fact true. The AT offer was hardly a deal and showed total disregard for ATA's experienced front and back end crews. Blame SWA all you want but the codeshare allowed many to work well beyond what the AT deal would have. It gave ATA a chance to turn things around but unfortunately Subodh and his team managed what was left right into the ground. And let's not forget the brilliant buyout of World Airways/North American and it's detrimental effect on ATA's finances. Then there's FEDEX & Omni's roles. Blah, blah, blah, but blame SWA if you wish. All water under the bridge of course, and part of this business as you said.

Back to the original point. AT made no bones about not wanting ATA crews and their union purportedly supported that view -- and now that the shoe is on the other foot they want it all.

 

[redflyer65]

Back to the original point. AT made no bones about not wanting ATA crews and their union purportedly supported that view -- and now that the shoe is on the other foot they want it all.

Exactly. How quickly did the 'SW bought us' high, switch to 'why should I lose any seniority'. So where is the fair and equitable?

 

[Andy]

Personally, DoH should be the ONLY consideration in SLIs. "Career expectations" is pure B.S.QUOTE]

So then when Delta bought Comair and ASA, they should have given those guys DOH?

Don't be an idiot. Did they merge the seniority lists?

Sheesh...

So if the lists aren't merged, this whole SLI issue goes away? Hmmm. That's what I've been saying for several days.
Don't kid yourself into thinking that the lists HAVE to be merged. Plan B may be more expensive in the short term but from all external appearances, that's the direction where this ship appears to be sailing.

... I hear rumors that Delta's been Jonesing for the 717s. Maybe they'll give DOH if Southwest opts for Section 45 Fragmentation of AirTran??? LOL!
For those armchair lawyers, here's section 45: http://www.wearealpa.org/about/adminmanual/Section_045_Merger_and_Fragmentation_Policy.pdf

 

[runner46]

roughneck and cruncher,swapa asked for a 6 month extension gk said no more than 3 and at alpa said neither and the mediator agreed with at alpa Thems the facts. As in most things in life the truth was somewhere in the middle with chase spinning it to put swapa in the best light. Y'all be cool!

 

[redflyer65]

Runner,

Of course ALPA is going to deny it. They have had so much egg on their face recently, are you surprised? Big question..

Have they sent out an email, or otherwise printed the fact that it wasn't them and it was SWAPA?

We have had more than a few internal sources....that have put it in PRINT that it was ALPA turning down SW. I know who I believe.

RF

 

[CF34-3B1]

roughneck and cruncher,swapa asked for a 6 month extension gk said no more than 3 and at alpa said neither and the mediator agreed with at alpa Thems the facts. As in most things in life the truth was somewhere in the middle with chase spinning it to put swapa in the best light. Y'all be cool!

You have that in writing from ALPA I assume?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Your responsibility is to take this opportunity, be humble, get on the list and start working for SWA

Be humble? That's a laugh, especially coming from a JUNIOR SWA f/o. Sonny, you're going to need a HUGE crow fork before this is all over.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Every Swapa pilot has sacrificed FOR swa, to be at swa...

Yeah, you spent $8K on a type rating to get an interview. Or if not, $8K to buy that type rating before you reported for training.

So you think a Pay For Training job makes you somehow superior?

You egotists kill me.

Try to remember, this is the man- an accountant- who did not NOT furlough, when your guy did.

And that's your argument? "We didn't furlough?" The arbitrator won't buy that one either.

Polish up that crow fork, wavey. You're going to have a lot of SWALLOWING to do, starting with your pride.

 

[GoodTimes]

Fub,

It's amazing to read your posts in light of recent events. Forks and crows and pay for training comments. And you're calling people sonny? Your comments beguile your age.

 

[runner46]

redflyer,yes i do have it in print from our mec merger committee posted via e-mail to all at pilots dated today

 

[Sacha]

redflyer,yes i do have it in print from our mec merger committee posted via e-mail to all at pilots dated today

Post it.

 

[maru657]

Well, that means straight to arbitration right?

 

[Slug]

Straight from SWA Management:



TO: All Pilots
FROM: Flight Operations Negotiating Committee DATE: August 26, 2011
RE: SLI Update
This week, counsel for the Company, SWAPA and AirTran/ALPA participated in several conference calls with the Mediator to discuss the mediation schedule and our options moving forward. During the discussions, the Company offered to delay the mediation and arbitration process to give the parties more time for thoughtful discussions in hopes that the parties could find a mutually beneficial solution. The Mediator and counsel for SWAPA indicated interest in the suggestion, but counsel for AirTran/ALPA said his client would not agree.
The parties did, however, agree to convert two of the mediation sessions scheduled for next week to meetings between the SWAPA and AirTran/ALPA committees, without legal counsel or the Mediator. The Company will participate in these discussions. Remaining mediation sessions, as outlined in the Process Agreement, are scheduled for September 13, 14, 26 and 27.
We will be meeting with the SWAPA and AirTran/ALPA committees next week to continue to look for solutions that are beneficial to Southwest Airlines and to both pilot groups, while protecting both the business model and the culture that are so critical to our success.

 

[zippy32]

I have been told that Steve Chase has fibbed. SWAPA asked for the extension,not GK

roughneck and cruncher,swapa asked for a 6 month extension gk said no more than 3 and at alpa said neither and the mediator agreed with at alpa Thems the facts. As in most things in life the truth was somewhere in the middle with chase spinning it to put swapa in the best light. Y'all be cool!

redflyer,yes i do have it in print from our mec merger committee posted via e-mail to all at pilots dated today

easydoesit and runner46,
Do you still stand by your statements? That post above is from SWA the company and had nothing to do with SWAPA. If you truly have an email from your MEC saying that it was Steve Chase that requested the 6 months, then I'd say this is just more ammo for you guys when you recall them. Because they are flat out lying to y'all.

 

[SWA/FO]

Lets get this done. Tranny MEC, get smart.

 

[Sacha]

redflyer,yes i do have it in print from our mec merger committee posted via e-mail to all at pilots dated today

I say again.......Post it.

Chirp....Chirp......