ALPA loses at Skywest

[JoeMerchant]

How does Alpa stop the Whipsaw when Non Alpa carriers pop up all the time working for less money?

With Brand Scope negotiated as part of mainline agreements......

Am I wrong or was it Comair(ALPA) that got the first good contract for regional jets?

Your wrong...... ALG and PDT had far better contracts far earlier..... never the less, all three lost out because of the bidding war....

Hell Mesa's contract wasn't bad untill they had to give every work rule, duty/trip rig and pay back to merge Freedumb a non alpa to thier list.

Mesa's contract has always been bad..... Freedumb was a factor, but so was mainline scope that helped create Freedumb...... do some more homework on that....

Just curious how do you think your own TA was effected by your non-union sister company? Couldn't hit a homerun on 70 seat rates if Skywest was flying them for less now could you!!!

It was affected by Skywest and Mesa/CHQ/PCL/CMR and even the DAL 70 rates that were lower than our current rates.... Whipsaw is whipsaw whether or not the other guy is sending money to Herndon or not.....

Do you think TSA lost cause of Gauxjunk?

GoJets was another creation of bad mainline scope language...... Do some more homework on that..... Has ALPA stopped GoJets?

It's not ALPA's job to stop the whipsaw it's up to us as professionals to stop cutting eachothers throats and get paid respectively for the day to day responsibility we endure.

BS..... It is ALPA's job and responsibility to stop the whipsaw..... If you are going to wait for individual pilots to stop the whipsaw then you might as well wait by the fireplace in December and hope that a big guy dressed in a red suit delivers you your solution...... That is more likely then individual pilots stopping the whipsaw......

When negotiating contracts ALPAS hands are tired by the lowest bidder!!!

Most of the time by fellow ALPA carriers..... It wasn't the Skywest pay that tied our hands..... it was fellow "brothers" at ALPA carriers...

Put down your Herndon crack pipe for just a minute and look around....

 

[OUPilot01]

Look I never post on here because of the funny yet dumb crap on here, but why do you think if alpa was so bad so many alpa pilots are so Supportive of it?

 

[Ski Bum]

It is important to remember that the real loss in all of this is to the Skywest pilot group. For those of us who volunteered on the OC, made the phone calls, came in on our days off, we did it because we felt it was the best path for our pilot group. 65% of our pilot group felt otherwise and that is dissapointing, but that is how a democracy works.

To all of those involved, be proud that we ran a well organized and strong campaign that unfortunately fell short. Thank you to ALPA and all of the volunteers from other carriers who helped out. Wish we could have brought it home.

 

[flynryan15]

Well I didn't realize we aere debating mainline scope, Let alone branded mainline scope as a mean to fix the current state of the industry.

Thats just not gonna happen the best shot we have as a whole is to get as many regional carriers under one union as possible...The best choice for that at the present time is ALPA...

I have done plenty of homework on this subject not to mention growing up in a family directly effected by Lorenzo. So spare me your lectures on doing my homework..

Tell me to wait by a fireplace and look for a fat a$$ in a red suit. Well you keep wishing for mainline branded scope in one hand and crap in the other then tell me which one fills up first...

My references were to the current state of the industry (post 9/11)...The better contracts were fought for and won by ALPA regionals only to be undercut by non-union or weak teamster carriers...

As a whole our best shot is to get as many under the same group fighting for the same goal...And you sir are wrong that starts with the individual pilot!! He or she has to realize the professional service they provide and fight not only to be paid accordingly, but have the work rules and qql we deserve...

 

[UncleRico]

Although I voted against ALPA, I would like to thank the OC for their efforts. I appreciate their want and desire to make things better for this pilot group. If ALPA would have done more for my fellow brothers and sisters at my former ALPA carrier I may have votedyes. In fact, if ALPA had done a better job there I wouldn't be making this post, I would still be there with them.

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

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[John Pennekamp]

Those of us at ASA now need to give serious consideration to leaving ALPA and joining with the Skywest pilots....

Ha! Put your money where your mouth is. I look forward to seeing a petition with your name at the top of it. G'luck.

 

[John Pennekamp]

So you have 20 names of terminated employees so far this year. Uh huh. And along with those names..you have evidence to support their wrongful termination too. Because, as you said, you know.

This is exactly the kind of BS that turned me off of ALPA. You can ask my roommates and classmates...I was squarely in ALPA's corner until I started talking with the OC reps in SLC and reading the garbage some of you post. Scare tactics and "he said, she said" gossip. Totally screwed up facts and stories trying to scare me into voting.

You want to know why ALPA failed...because of the people like those on this forum that are representing them. Read the posts. Name calling, threatening, BS-ing. Yeah..I want you people representing me.
YOU are the reason ALPA failed at SkyWest.

Implying that I didn't ask questions, didn't do any research, didn't pay attention, don't care. Referring to me as a scab, idiot, cronie, moron, bafoon.
YOU are the reason ALPA failed at SkyWest.

All of you chest thumping ALPA minions that have nothing intelligent or reasonable to say to me in support of your organization...go look in the mirror...YOU are the reason ALPA failed at SkyWest.

W

That's a great story. If it makes you feel better for throwing yourself at Brad's mercy, then go ahead and keep telling it.

 

[No.W.]

Voted YES.

Excited about ALPA.

OFFENDED AT BEING CALLED A SCAB.

WILL NEVER CROSS A PICKET LINE.

Not worth it, won't do it, even if it costs me a job.

Won't fly struck work...same thing.

HOWEVER, the majority of pilots at my company voting against ALPA does not make me a scab. I did my part, I sought to educate with professionalism and humility. It didn't work...for any of us union supporters. So be it. Am I rethinking my decision to stay at SkyWest? Yes. Am I going to go making some irrational, emotional decisions because I'm disappointed? No. Do any of these things make me a scab? NO!

Lay off the s-word, guys. It only hurts our cause. There are a lot of guys at SkyWest that can't do what megadeath said(look past the emotions and see the big picture). It's too bad.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Although I voted against ALPA, I would like to thank the OC for their efforts. I appreciate their want and desire to make things better for this pilot group. If ALPA would have done more for my fellow brothers and sisters at my former ALPA carrier I may have votedyes. In fact, if ALPA had done a better job there I wouldn't be making this post, I would still be there with them.

Wha did YOU do for your fellow pilots? I did allot...I just used ALPA to do it...

You served instead of expecting to BE served

 

[Jmoney]

Joe Merchant.....

For those here who are unfamiliar with Joe Merchant: His one and only mission is life over the last few years has been to promote the ideals of the RJDC (RJ Defense Coalition)

The RJDC is a group that was formed to sue ALPA. The reason they want to sue ALPA. I personally believe it was started and perpetuated by mgmt. to damage ALPA without any connection being made with their involvement.

The purpose of the RJDC is simply to screw ALPA. They come up with all sorts off goofy reasons like "branded scope" and "representation." The bottom line is that you can't scope someone as a sub-contractor-which is what we all are, and will always be.

ALPA isn't at fault for these realities of the business-yet, the RJDC is dedicated to suing their butts off for these factors which are beyond ALPA's control.

This is where Joe comes from. He is pissed off guy who is mad at the world. This is why the RJDC appeals to him. If he can't enjoy life, his objective is to dedicate his time to something like the RJDC that attempts to break the union so many others will not be able to enjoy life themselves.

-Sad, just sad.....

 

[PCL_128]

Not only that, but Joe has an ax to grind now because the RJDC just turned out to be a dismal failure, settling with ALPA in a settlement that didn't even cover their 7-figure legal fees. The RJDC was a sham, a joke, and an abject failure.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The RJDC was a sham, a joke, and an abject failure.

RJDC=Joe Merchant=a sham, a joke, and an abject failure

 

[PCL_128]

RJDC=Joe Merchant=a sham, a joke, and an abject failure

Bingo.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

So how do we move on from here? We all know JA had a plan A and a plan B depending on how the vote went. Even when the TA passes at ASA do we:

Begin to slowly transfer a/c and shrink ASA
Have the ASA name disappear yet maintain seperate op cert. and workforce

Any guesses on the JA plan A

 

[obadie]

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What an idiot! You sure are helping the cause.

 

[Dubya]

That's a great story. If it makes you feel better for throwing yourself at Brad's mercy, then go ahead and keep telling it.

Thank you for hammering my point home.


The unprofessionalism you and others display is a DIRECT reflection of the type of representation we would enjoy with ALPA. I want REAL representation...not some shell that takes my 2% and spends 5 years to get less than I have now. And please...don't try and BS me...this is straight out of the mouth of the OC members I questioned.

You want to flip off management and bad mouth everyone who doesn't fall in line with your ideas...do it on your own dime.



W

 

[Dubya]

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These people keep posting...and you wonder why only 36%?

Please....PLEASE...one of you unprofessional, name calling, threatening, chest thumping ALPA supporters...stop me in the terminal and call me a _______ (scab, idiot, bafoon, moron, cronie, etc.) to my face. I'll be happy to take you outside and show you what color my belt is.

YOU are the reason ALPA failed at SkyWest.

W

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I want REAL representation...not some shell that takes my 2% and spends 5 years to get less than I have now.

W

IF you want real representation.... then if the vote passed what committee or elected representation position where you planning on going for?

 

[AugerPtrol]

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I wish you would say that to me on the crew van tonight... I would beat you soundly.