ALPA loses at Skywest

[PCL_128]

You are sounding more and more like Hillary every day.... We used to agree on politics, but we can't even agree on that.....

It simply isn't true about the lower and middle class..... That is nothing more than class warfare....

Read this article....
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010855

In the interest of being "fair and balanced", I encourage you to provide your evidence and I will read it....

I read that article earlier today. The problem with the figures they use is that they're calculating things incorrectly in order to distort the issue. They're following individual people rather than jobs. Yes, the people that they studies had an increase in earnings because they moved up to different jobs as the years went on, but that's not the question we're dealing with here. The question is, for a given job, let's say retail sales, have the salary and benefits for that job kept up with inflation. The answer is a very clear NO. While the person who starts their career in retail sales will see an increase in earnings over the years by moving up to different jobs, the people coming in behind him to replace him in that same retail sales job will make less than he did for doing the same job when corrected for inflation. Likewise, the job he moved up to to get his raise will also pay him less than the person who occupied that job before him. The end result is that you make more money as your career progresses, but not as much money as someone 10 years ago would have made.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I read that article earlier today. The problem with the figures they use is that they're calculating things incorrectly in order to distort the issue. They're following individual people rather than jobs. Yes, the people that they studies had an increase in earnings because they moved up to different jobs as the years went on, but that's not the question we're dealing with here. The question is, for a given job, let's say retail sales, have the salary and benefits for that job kept up with inflation. The answer is a very clear NO. While the person who starts their career in retail sales will see an increase in earnings over the years by moving up to different jobs, the people coming in behind him to replace him in that same retail sales job will make less than he did for doing the same job when corrected for inflation. Likewise, the job he moved up to to get his raise will also pay him less than the person who occupied that job before him. The end result is that you make more money as your career progresses, but not as much money as someone 10 years ago would have made.

Well then move on to better jobs.... The facts show that it is solely your own choice if you choose to be "left behind"..... If you work hard and advance yourself, you pay will increas...... more than those at the top of the food chain.....

Redistribution of wealth never works..... Working hard and building your own wealth does.... and everyone is capable of doing it in this country......

 

[PCL_128]

Well then move on to better jobs.... The facts show that it is solely your own choice if you choose to be "left behind"..... If you work hard and advance yourself, you pay will increas...... more than those at the top of the food chain.....

You're not understanding the problem, Joe. I liken this to what happened to my father years ago when he worked in management for a large automotive company. He held a position that paid low six figures. He had been with the company for years, and his experience netted him a good salary and good benefits. Of course, the company got tired of paying such a high salary and decided that it was time to "eliminate the position." They got rid of my father, changed the title of the position while keeping the responsibilities the same, and gave the job to a younger, less experienced guy and paid him $60k a year. To this guy, it was a big pay raise! He was used to making $40k in a lower tier management position, so from his viewpoint, things got a whole lot better. But any outside observer could see that the quality of that job had just gone down. A six figure job instantly turned into a mid-five-figures job. If the Journal had been following the younger executive, they would have used his experience as a "success story" to prove that incomes are going up, even though the truth is that that job just got a whole lot worse.

The point is that if you look a the raw statistics, middle-class earnings are lagging inflation and have been for several years. Meanwhile, CEO salaries have increased 700% over the past decade. I hate Hillary Clinton as much as the next guy, but you can't dispute the facts here.

Redistribution of wealth never works..... Working hard and building your own wealth does.... and everyone is capable of doing it in this country......

I hate redistribution of wealth as much as you do. That's not what I'm arguing for here. In fact, I'm not asking for any sort of government assistance whatsoever. I just want a level playing field. Give labor a level playing field and allow the markets to sort things out. As it is right now, corporations have the upper hand and labor is virtually crippled. This has led to our current problems, and it needs to be fixed. No "wealth redistribution" needed.

 

[EFIS COMP MON]

huhhh

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well then move on to better jobs.... The facts show that it is solely your own choice if you choose to be "left behind"..... If you work hard and advance yourself, you pay will increas...... more than those at the top of the food chain.....

Redistribution of wealth never works..... Working hard and building your own wealth does.... and everyone is capable of doing it in this country......

You can move on... or sue ALPA....

 

[Gandalf]

The sad thing PCL is that most everyone on this board won't get anything that you just posted. They have never had to think about things outside themselves before, cuz' mommy and daddy paid for everything and now they get to impress the neighbors daughter..."Yes, I fly jets...How you doin?"

They just want to get back to flying their shiny jets for poverty wages at the expense of their fellow pilots.

It doesn't matter what management is doing..."I fly jet!"

But hey, they are nice and shiny.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The sad thing PCL is that most everyone on this board won't get anything that you just posted. They have never had to think about things outside themselves before, cuz' mommy and daddy paid for everything and now they get to impress the neighbors daughter..."Yes, I fly jets...How you doin?"

They just want to get back to flying their shiny jets for poverty wages at the expense of their fellow pilots.

It doesn't matter what management is doing..."I fly jet!"

But hey, they are nice and shiny.

......just like PCL_128..... only it was a shiny Beech 1900 he paid to sit in the seat of before he moved on to his shiny Pinnacle jet.....

You ALPA cheerleaders may want to find a new spokesperson.... and not someone who has gone to work for 3 separate substandard carriers including one that you have to pay to work at.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

You can move on... or sue ALPA....

Or I can stay and fight to make my current job more of a career....

 

[PCL_128]

......just like PCL_128..... only it was a shiny Beech 1900 he paid to sit in the seat of before he moved on to his shiny Pinnacle jet.....

You ALPA cheerleaders may want to find a new spokesperson.... and not someone who has gone to work for 3 separate substandard carriers including one that you have to pay to work at.....

Typical. You don't debate the issue, you attack the opponent. Your constant insistence on harping on a mistake that I made 8 years ago just demonstrates that you have nothing of substance to add to this discussion. Rather than respond to the points made by myself and others, you simply go on attack mode. Sort of like people who file frivolous lawsuits without any real case....

 

[BoilerUP]

Quick question:

How many senior captains at ASA and Comair PFT'd with FlightSafety back in the 90s?

 

[PCL_128]

Quick question:

How many senior captains at ASA and Comair PFT'd with FlightSafety back in the 90s?

Lots. Including good 'ole Joe himself.