ALPA loses at Skywest

[JoeMerchant]

I'm all for a COLA. Look at where we are today, then compare it to 5 years from now. I'll bet we'll still be doing better than our counterparts then. How that will play out is anyones guess.

The ASA COLA is1% per year..... is that the true COLA? We aren't keeping up with COLA despite theALPA chesthumpers............

 

[PCL_128]

The ASA COLA is1% per year.....

Is that true? The TA'd rates only go up 1% per year?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

The ASA COLA is1% per year..... is that the true COLA? We aren't keeping up with COLA despite theALPA chesthumpers............

I'd still rather have your 1% per year, than the nothing per year we've been getting...over the past 7(we got 0 COLA), and the next 4 years(we got 0 COLA) that would be 11% instead of a big fat NOTHING!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Is that true? The TA'd rates only go up 1% per year?

Yes ALPA boy.... they only go up 1%.... It isn't COLA, but you ALPA cheerleaders like to say it is....Pattern bargaining is a b!tch isn't it.... What happened PCL?.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'd still rather have your 1% per year, than the nothing per year we've been getting...over the past 7(we got 0 COLA), and the next 4 years(we got 0 COLA) that would be 11% instead of a big fat NOTHING!

How does it compare to the Mesa ALPA rates?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

How does it compare to the Mesa ALPA rates?

Since you asked, Mesa rates are higher on the 900!





P.S. Might want to try and compare Skyw rates with XJET, or Horizon too...they're both considerably higher and both union(since you brought it up)!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Since you asked, Mesa rates are higher on the 900!





P.S. Might want to try and compare Skyw rates with XJET, or Horizon too...they're both considerably higher and both union(since you brought it up)!

How about the FO rates?

Horizon is a differnet animal.... how do those rates compare to ASA?

Might want to try and compare FO rates????

 

[Nevets]

From June/July 2006 Airline Pilot

Rumors have been circulating about some ALPA pilots refusing to allow jumpseaters from select non-ALPA and low-cost airlines. Please do not let politics into the jumpseat. While you might feel good about having denied a jumpseater from a non-ALPA or low-cost airline, your ALPA brothers and sisters might be denied a much needed jumpseat on one of those airlines commuting to or from their base. Your actions can have implications far beyond the immediate situation. Also, ALPA's long-term goal is to represent the entire airline piloting profession--and that means every one of us is a field organizer for our union. A jumpseat is one more opportunity to educate and influence our non-ALPA brothers and sisters.--Second Officer Dan Gradwohl (Northwest), Chairman, ALPA National Jumpseat Comittee

AND

ALPA Reasserts Policy on Jumpseat Restrictions

During these times of airline turmoil, airlines may be tempted to place artificial restrictions -- specifically, those that do not involve safety concerns -- on using jumpseats. ALPA strongly disagrees with such restrictions and has always maintained that jumpseats should be off limits to any type of dispute that is not related to safety.

ALPA's jumpseat policy, contained in Section 115 of the ALPA Administrative Manual, speaks directly to this subject: "ALPA supports the Captain's authority to exclude any person other than required crew from the flight deck if, in his opinion, that person's presence will compromise safety.

"Denial of jumpseat privileges as a means of punishing, coercing, or retaliating against other pilot groups or individuals is not supported by ALPA. The Jumpseat and/or Professional Standards Representative appointed by the respective Master Executive Council or governing body should resolve disputes that arise between pilots, airlines, or other unions."

ALPA's president, Capt. Duane Woerth, says, "Using jumpseats to retaliate against an individual, pilot group, or company is not only wrong. It could also result in violations of the Railway Labor Act, if pilots took those actions to harm a company during collective bargaining." Gigantic fines could be levied against a pilot group if its members misused jumpseats in this way.

"The jumpseat is a mutually beneficial tool that helps airlines and pilots by enhancing safety, security, and efficiency," Capt. Woerth noted. "Both parties must guard against any activities that may damage the viability of that invaluable asset."

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[USCtrojan]

I'm all for a COLA. Look at where we are today, then compare it to 5 years from now. I'll bet we'll still be doing better than our counterparts then. How that will play out is anyones guess.

That's a result of EVERYBODY ELSE'S FIGHT, EVERYBODY ELSE'S GAIN. Simply put, without everybody else's fight for gains, you'd have NOTHING, just the status quo. You have a lot of other Carriers to thank, whore.

Trojan

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I've never even approached that much. Thanks for the predictable name calling, though.

Everyone hates a winner!

RECENT RESEARCH into the darker recesses of human behaviour supports the received wisdom that “everyone hates a winner” and suggests how much people are prepared to sacrifice in order to bring winners down.

Joe Merchant's ethos.....

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

1) Ignorance appears blissful, to the extent Rez asked for an answer and got one; he just didn't like it. Of course, what I said is true, though the premise behind the original question is inane.

2) Seat-basis for comparison? I make a lot more than mainline 737, 747, 757, 767, and tripple drivers if that is the case. Actually, now that I think about it, eveb a lowly SKYW EMB 8YR CA makes more than 60% of my hourly rate [a seat comparison], so he must make more than me. Boy, this whole compensation thing is upside down.

3) If this board wasn't for PCL, JP, & ROL slapping each other on the back, it would be worth reading. Do you guys go to bed angry every night, or just bitch about people incessantly?

 

[CFIT]

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3) If this board wasn't for PCL, JP, & ROL slapping each other on the back, it would be worth reading. Do you guys go to bed angry every night, or just bitch about people incessantly?

WITHOUT A DOUBT THE BEST POST I HAVE EVER SEEN!

 

[antisocialist]

Remaining "strong, competitive, and well positioned for the future", is one thing...allowing the employees who positioned them at the top to slide backward year after year with no COLA is wrong!!!The company has no excuse not to continue paying us the COLA they always paid for the first 28 years they were in business! I know the inflation rate in SLC is a lot less than in my domicile, but you need to stop pretending that everything still costs you what it did 7 years ago, and that it will continue not to go up for the next 4 years!!! Eleven years with no COLA from a company as successful as Skyw is wrong period end of the story!

Gee, I don't know, how about less than a 5% profit margin? How low should the profit margin be? And don't try to tell me that your W-2 hasn't gone up in the last 7 years. To imply that your pay does not continue to increase, and at a rate faster than virtually every other regional (including Horizon!) is a lie. ALPA likes to blame all things on management and yet it is ALPA that expects to set all of the major expenses for the company and if the company can't compete with the high level of expenses ALPA has forced under threat of a crippling strike then it is MANAGEMENT'S FAULT!!!! Tell me ALPA business leaders, what will tomorrow's market be like? Because you are always talking about the good old days but what will tomorrow be like? Management might be preparing for another rainy day with their whopping 5% margin and $400 million cash reserves.

Fly the airplane, let management try to run a profitable company in this crazy environment. Without unions, how did the 90% of non-union private sector employees ever get a pay raise or health benefits? Why is it that union rants and rumors never come to pass in non-union industries?

 

[PCL_128]

Without unions, how did the 90% of non-union private sector employees ever get a pay raise or health benefits? Why is it that union rants and rumors never come to pass in non-union industries?

You're living in a fantasy world. The wages and benefits of middle- and lower-class workers have been declining for years when corrected for inflation. The "little people" aren't getting any real pay raises, and they're being crippled by rising healthcare and retirement costs.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Gee, I don't know, how about less than a 5% profit margin? How low should the profit margin be? And don't try to tell me that your W-2 hasn't gone up in the last 7 years. To imply that your pay does not continue to increase, and at a rate faster than virtually every other regional (including Horizon!) is a lie. ALPA likes to blame all things on management and yet it is ALPA that expects to set all of the major expenses for the company and if the company can't compete with the high level of expenses ALPA has forced under threat of a crippling strike then it is MANAGEMENT'S FAULT!!!! Tell me ALPA business leaders, what will tomorrow's market be like? Because you are always talking about the good old days but what will tomorrow be like? Management might be preparing for another rainy day with their whopping 5% margin and $400 million cash reserves.

Fly the airplane, let management try to run a profitable company in this crazy environment. Without unions, how did the 90% of non-union private sector employees ever get a pay raise or health benefits? Why is it that union rants and rumors never come to pass in non-union industries?

You might want to try and start dealing with facts, not fiction...


Skywest profit margins have been in double digits almost every quarter of every year(and that's Net profit margins not gross profit margins)!

No, my W2 has not been going up...haven't gotten a longevity raise in some time(and longevity raises have never included COLA, for 28 years we got both longevity AND COLA)!

Finally Skywest has about double the 400 million you made up(or however you came up with that number)!

 

[antisocialist]

Here you go:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=SKYW

Profit margin: 4.57%

You got me on the cash however:
Total cash: $660.4 M

And don't forget this one:
Total debt: $1.91 B

I know that unions despise profits of any form so tell me, what should their profit margin be? 2%? That leaves a lot of cushion for the next downturn doesn't it? It is after all, a very cyclical industry.

 

[timeless]

ALPA and Skywest hijacked FI.

 

[antisocialist]

Maybe, but it is after all an ALPA/SkyWest thread.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Here you go:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=SKYW

Profit margin: 4.57%

You got me on the cash however:
Total cash: $660.4 M

And don't forget this one:
Total debt: $1.91 B

I know that unions despise profits of any form so tell me, what should their profit margin be? 2%? That leaves a lot of cushion for the next downturn doesn't it? It is after all, a very cyclical industry.

If you check you'll see that margin was from the quarter prior to the latest one...the majority of the quarters have had higher margins!

 

[JoeMerchant]

You're living in a fantasy world. The wages and benefits of middle- and lower-class workers have been declining for years when corrected for inflation. The "little people" aren't getting any real pay raises, and they're being crippled by rising healthcare and retirement costs.

You are sounding more and more like Hillary every day.... We used to agree on politics, but we can't even agree on that.....

It simply isn't true about the lower and middle class..... That is nothing more than class warfare....

Read this article....
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010855

In the interest of being "fair and balanced", I encourage you to provide your evidence and I will read it....