ALPA loses at Skywest

[Dubya]

IF you want real representation.... then if the vote passed what committee or elected representation position where you planning on going for?

That's a great question Rez. Exactly what I asked of a few OC members. I don't know where I would have fit in . The impression I got from those OC guys was that they already had people in mind for the important positions.

It's funny how they tried to say everything was "up to us", but in reality..we all know that there is a group of people who just can't wait to stand in front of management and flip them off...and these are the people who would be running the ALPA show.

Read the posts. Tell me you don't see the attitudes, name calling, resentment, and unprofessionalism.

AND AGAIN...right out of the ALPA OC members' mouths...5 years of negotiating to get pretty much what we already have.

W

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The sooner the ALPA structure was up and running the better... these guys were working so it would be... that doesn't mean there wouldn't be a place... a vote for ALPA was vote to volunteer....


And what about the representation on the National and international level? Obviously this doesn't concern you?

 

[Dubya]

The sooner the ALPA structure was up and running the better... these guys were working so it would be... that doesn't mean there wouldn't be a place... a vote for ALPA was vote to volunteer....


And what about the representation on the National and international level? Obviously this doesn't concern you?

It does concern me...but doesn't it concern you that when you look around at other ALPA represented carriers that they are MUCH worse off than we are?

Where is the national representation there? And I know your answer...'look at their local MEC and who is running their individual ALPA representation'...and that is my point. There is no guarantee that the people running it here would have been any more qualified. One of the OC members confided in me as we discussed this that this was one of his biggest worries. National ALPA representation? That is funny.

W

 

[capt. megadeth]

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These people keep posting...and you wonder why only 36%?

Please....PLEASE...one of you unprofessional, name calling, threatening, chest thumping ALPA supporters...stop me in the terminal and call me a _______ (scab, idiot, bafoon, moron, cronie, etc.) to my face. I'll be happy to take you outside and show you what color my belt is.

YOU are the reason ALPA failed at SkyWest.

W

Dude, I'll be coming in around 2:20pm on Sat from SEA to ORD. Meet you outside of terminal 1....and I'll tell you to your face. I'll be the 5 month pregnant chick getting off the flight with the UPS flight bag tough guy.

:laugh:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It does concern me...but doesn't it concern you that when you look around at other ALPA represented carriers that they are MUCH worse off than we are?

Part of your condition at SKYW was management fear of a union... all abasedon union pay and conditions... throw in the slide in pay AND inflation.. and perhaps SKYW isn't that MUCH better... but your perception is your reality...

Where is the national representation there?

right now ALPA national is working to fix FMLA to include pilots... something the SKYW pilots will bebefit from...

And I know your answer...'look at their local MEC and who is running their individual ALPA representation'...and that is my point.

What is your point? You expect one of your fellow pilots to volunteer his time and be better than the job you'd do?

There is no guarantee that the people running it here would have been any more qualified.

more qualified than whom? Jerry? Is Jerry more qualified to represent your airline career... we now know that your group thinks he is..

One of the OC members confided in me as we discussed this that this was one of his biggest worries.

And that is good... he was concerned.. so the worry is who will do better...Jerry or us..

National ALPA representation? That is funny.

W

It isn't about national serving you... it is about you serving you and you electing local pilots to represent you... did you not pick up on this or did the OC not tell you?

 

[gixxerkid]

Thank God its over. But all the whinny a@# APLA supporters will never shut up but we can hope most of them leave SOON


I guess they want jobs at an ALPA carrier right??

No better than Gojet guys !!!

Jealusy's a bitch!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Dude, I'll be coming in around 2:20pm on Sat from SEA to ORD. Meet you outside of terminal 1....and I'll tell you to your face. I'll be the 5 month pregnant chick getting off the flight with the UPS flight bag tough guy.

:laugh:

Called out by a prego chick..... dang....



you go mega...

 

[capt. megadeth]

Read the posts. Tell me you don't see the attitudes, name calling, resentment, and unprofessionalism.

AND AGAIN...right out of the ALPA OC members' mouths...5 years of negotiating to get pretty much what we already have.

W

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....guess what?

You'll be lucky to have what you have now since you all send a loud and clear message to management....

WE'RE COOL WITH A 1% RAISE FOR 2/3 OF THE PILOT GROUP!

What do you expect me to say???? Good job guys??? Duh????

 

[capt. megadeth]

Dubya,
If you want REAL representation, why don't YOU do something about it? What have YOU done to make this happen?

 

[WWEfan]

That's a great question Rez. Exactly what I asked of a few OC members. I don't know where I would have fit in . The impression I got from those OC guys was that they already had people in mind for the important positions.

It's funny how they tried to say everything was "up to us", but in reality..we all know that there is a group of people who just can't wait to stand in front of management and flip them off...and these are the people who would be running the ALPA show.

Read the posts. Tell me you don't see the attitudes, name calling, resentment, and unprofessionalism.

AND AGAIN...right out of the ALPA OC members' mouths...5 years of negotiating to get pretty much what we already have.

W

ASA raised the bar. SKYW is lowering it. SKYW only has what it has because ALPA properties negotiated for it. SKYW will continue to be a "middle of the road" type regional so Jerry can attract applicants.

Just wait til the next down turn in the industry when no one is hiring and watch that "policy manual" evaporate.

 

[PCL_128]

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These people keep posting...and you wonder why only 36%?

Please....PLEASE...one of you unprofessional, name calling, threatening, chest thumping ALPA supporters...stop me in the terminal and call me a _______ (scab, idiot, bafoon, moron, cronie, etc.) to my face. I'll be happy to take you outside and show you what color my belt is.

I certainly wouldn't call you a scab, but the next Skywest pilot I see in the crew van or on our jumpseat is going to get one hell of an earful. Guys like you who chose not to vote have stabbed the rest of us in the back. Don't expect us to take it kindly.

 

[WAZUP]

ALPA didn't pass it must be a Bush conspiracy

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I certainly wouldn't call you a scab, but the next Skywest pilot I see in the crew van or on our jumpseat is going to get one hell of an earful. Guys like you who chose not to vote have stabbed the rest of us in the back. Don't expect us to take it kindly.

Skywest pilots... you can ride my jumpseat anytime... you may not enjoy the conversation, but I will be happy to take you were you want to go... if it is weight critical, I will do my best to get you on... but you might not like discussion....

If you are first or even if you are second but have a better need to jumpseat, I'll take you over an ALPA pilot.... but you probably will feel two inches tall when I get done holding up the mirror... don't like what you see? Change it!

 

[Dubya]

Skywest pilots... you can ride my jumpseat anytime... you may not enjoy the conversation, but I will be happy to take you were you want to go... if it is weight critical, I will do my best to get you on... but you might not like discussion....

If you are first or even if you are second but have a better need to jumpseat, I'll take you over an ALPA pilot.... but you probably will feel two inches tall when I get done holding up the mirror... don't like what you see? Change it!

And again...point hammered home. Rez..there is nothing you can say to me to make me feel 2 inches tall. Nothing.

You are right...I wouldn't enjoy the conversation in your jumpseat because you are going to use the same threatening, bullying, BS language that I have heard throughout this drive. Scare me, threaten me..it became so clear to me exactly what kind of representation we would have.

Thank you for your jumpseat.

W

 

[Dubya]

I certainly wouldn't call you a scab, but the next Skywest pilot I see in the crew van or on our jumpseat is going to get one hell of an earful. Guys like you who chose not to vote have stabbed the rest of us in the back. Don't expect us to take it kindly.

Guys like me? Stab you in the back? If you see me in the crew van or jumpseat...you'd be wise to take caution in your tone. You want to give me an earful...you'd better be a professional gentleman about it...and expect to get the exact same right back.

W

 

[Ezralite]

Dude, I'll be coming in around 2:20pm on Sat from SEA to ORD. Meet you outside of terminal 1....and I'll tell you to your face. I'll be the 5 month pregnant chick getting off the flight with the UPS flight bag tough guy.

:laugh:

Someone just got owned.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

And again...point hammered home. Rez..there is nothing you can say to me to make me feel 2 inches tall. Nothing.

You are right...I wouldn't enjoy the conversation in your jumpseat because you are going to use the same threatening, bullying, BS language that I have heard throughout this drive. Scare me, threaten me..it became so clear to me exactly what kind of representation we would have.

Thank you for your jumpseat.

W

Dubya....

consider it from another point of view....ours...

We are threaten and fearful of the lack of unity and selfish actions of the Skywest pilots. ALPA doesn't have the RLA in its favor. ALPA isn't as powerful as companies and gov't... therefore the only way we can effect positive change is by unity and strength in numbers... you guys just kept potential numbers down.

First, I would never threaten or bullying...

I simply explain all the ALPA does that the skywest pilots benefit from and then I would ask you what you think.... so let's not wait till you ride my jumpseat (that ALPA had plenty to do with..)..

What do you think of ALPA's efforts to make this profession protected and the SKYW pilots enjoying those benefits and now rejecting ALPA...

 

[Dubya]

Someone just got owned.

Owned huh? I didn't respond to her. Why would I. Very professional.

With every post my point is just hammered home. She wants to meet me to insult me in person...and she can get away with it because shes a pregnant female. Very nice.

How about you Ezra? You want to insult me..or just ride the coattails of a pregnant female?

W

 

[Dubya]

Dubya....

consider it from another point of view....ours...

We are threaten and fearful of the lack of unity and selfish actions of the Skywest pilots. ALPA doesn't have the RLA in its favor. ALPA isn't as powerful as companies and gov't... therefore the only way we can effect positive change is by unity and strength in numbers... you guys just kept potential numbers down.

First, I would never threaten or bullying...

I simply explain all the ALPA does that the skywest pilots benefit from and then I would ask you what you think.... so let's not wait till you ride my jumpseat (that ALPA had plenty to do with..)..

What do you think of ALPA's efforts to make this profession protected and the SKYW pilots enjoying those benefits and now rejecting ALPA...

I welcome your input...sincerely. My show time is looming so...another day?

W

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

With every post my point is just hammered home. She wants to meet me to insult me in person...W

She wants to insult you in person because the SKYW guys have insulted all of us...

And they don't even get it... the SKYW guys thought this whole drive was about them... it wasn't... it is about all of us.... EVERY LAST ONE OF US.. we are all in this together.... but you guys don't think so....