AirTran pilots will own the SW upgrades

[Roomwithaview]

Revisionists

You guys grasp at straws by any means possible all in order to attempt to bolster the case that the tranny, in some way shape or form, was equal to or better than SWA (then why were pilots leaving in droves to come here and elsewhere?) to continue to attempt to make the case that you all got "screwed" after you were "acquired".

Can we stop the d*ck measuring?

Does it make you feel better to make outlandish claims about SWA vs TRAN "The good, the bad and the ugly"

I can shoot holes in most of your wild comments and pick them off one by one but it gets old. Additionally, PCL, why do you even care any more? Or more succinctly-Why should we care what you have to say? You claim you're not coming over. So, while I won't go so far to state that your opinion doesn't matter, I will say that it shouldn't hold any level of import with anyone that remains. You're turning yourself into an insignificant dweeb the likes of a certain General on here or his alter ego OYS.

Additionally, I take issue with the way you've berated your MEC for getting you a much better deal than you deserved and they did so by being strategic, by playing hardball, and by strong arming those that had more mojo going into the deal.

That should be a lesson WE (all of us now joined together) should reflect on and learn from. Because, the stronger of the two negotiating committees did not survive. Instead, our QOL, PAY, BENNIEs etc are all being manufactured by the same weak sisters that couldn't get us a better deal than SL-10 which was a MUCH worse deal than SL-9 (for us)

SLI 1 vs SLI 2 is debatable. But, one cannot argue the furlough protection provided by SLI2 AND the much better RSW Global Seniority that was handed over by Kelly with nary a whimper from our emasculated union.

It's time to get back in the fight not against each other. The next buyout is coming and even your beloved RM acknowledges and admits that it's not in our (all of ours) best interest to have another tranny debacle go down where we RSW lose even more RSW pilot seniority.

If you can't wrap your arms around that then, Yes, you are not finished pi$$ing moaning and whining about the SLI and you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[Ty Webb]

Room, if you really want it to go away, then just shut your pie-hole and let people come to terms with it on their own. Rest assured, if you keep throwing mud and bullsh!t, people will respond.

 

[Roomwithaview]

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Room, if you really want it to go away, then just shut your pie-hole and let people come to terms with it on their own. Rest assured, if you keep throwing mud and bullsh!t, people will respond.

of which I'm certain over 50% are pi$$ing and moaning about SWA and/or the ACQUISITION.

I don't GAS if it "goes away". What I do suggest is working "SMART" towards making sure we (RSW PILOTS) don't get f*cked again. The only way to do that is to acknowledge and learn from the mistakes of the past. First and foremost that we (RSW PILOTS) gave a ton-got nothing in return and totally f*cked ourselves by not having better contractual language (still not fixed) a weak d*ck NC, with an even weaker d*ck supporting cast back at the front office.

What's the game plan going forward oh great and omnipotent FLIFO thought leader?

 

[Ty Webb]

Blah-blah-blah.

I'm out.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Blah-blah-blah.

I'm out.

It's not gonna win you a better contract.
It's not gonna prevent a carbon copy of what just happened.

I'm suggesting that if you are in fact now (or will be in the future) a RSW pilot, to do everything in your power to protect and improve on what you have.

The wheels are coming off over here and burying your head in the sand won't fix it.

The same players that ran the SLI are running the show on the Section Six. If you think they "killed it" for RSW pilots, then, by all means, flip it on autopilot. If, however, you are man enough to admit that we may not have the sharpest tools in the shed working on what's going to set the course for the next however many years, and arguably (should we buy someone else-a highly likely possibility) the rest of our careers, then you might want to pull your seat forward and strap on your shoulder harnesses.

 

[HowardBorden]

It's not enough that decisions be justifiable to an individual, or even an individual pilot group. Those decisions need to be justifiable in light of the entire profession.

This is an absolutely ludicrous and ridiculous statement, but it certainly sheds a lot of light on your ALPA skewed vision of reality.

My decisions are only made with regard to how it will effect myself and my family alone. I would never expect someone else to attempt to interpret my personal needs and wants above their own when making career decisions. I won't make decisions based on what I think others might want or need and I would never presume that others do that for me. The one man one vote system works because each individual is different with differing desires and they vote accordingly.

"Those decisions need to be justifiable in light of the entire profession." My God man can't you understand that we can't all agree on what is justifiable to the entire profession. Your vision of justifiable and my vision of justifiable are vastly different I assure you.

 

[slaquer5]

Room, if you really want it to go away, then just shut your pie-hole and let people come to terms with it on their own. Rest assured, if you keep throwing mud and bullsh!t, people will respond.

Dude

Please take your own advice

You are a piece of work .

 

[PCL_128]

This is an absolutely ludicrous and ridiculous statement, but it certainly sheds a lot of light on your ALPA skewed vision of reality.

My decisions are only made with regard to how it will effect myself and my family alone. I would never expect someone else to attempt to interpret my personal needs and wants above their own when making career decisions. I won't make decisions based on what I think others might want or need and I would never presume that others do that for me. The one man one vote system works because each individual is different with differing desires and they vote accordingly.

"Those decisions need to be justifiable in light of the entire profession." My God man can't you understand that we can't all agree on what is justifiable to the entire profession. Your vision of justifiable and my vision of justifiable are vastly different I assure you.

I understand your thought process, but it doesn't fit in an organized labor environment. In short, with your way of looking at the world, you shouldn't be in a union. Unions are about not just the individual, but the collective.

 

[PCL_128]

You guys grasp at straws by any means possible all in order to attempt to bolster the case that the tranny, in some way shape or form, was equal to or better than SWA (then why were pilots leaving in droves to come here and elsewhere?) to continue to attempt to make the case that you all got "screwed" after you were "acquired".

Can we stop the d*ck measuring?

Does it make you feel better to make outlandish claims about SWA vs TRAN "The good, the bad and the ugly"

I can shoot holes in most of your wild comments and pick them off one by one but it gets old. Additionally, PCL, why do you even care any more? Or more succinctly-Why should we care what you have to say? You claim you're not coming over. So, while I won't go so far to state that your opinion doesn't matter, I will say that it shouldn't hold any level of import with anyone that remains. You're turning yourself into an insignificant dweeb the likes of a certain General on here or his alter ego OYS.

Additionally, I take issue with the way you've berated your MEC for getting you a much better deal than you deserved and they did so by being strategic, by playing hardball, and by strong arming those that had more mojo going into the deal.

That should be a lesson WE (all of us now joined together) should reflect on and learn from. Because, the stronger of the two negotiating committees did not survive. Instead, our QOL, PAY, BENNIEs etc are all being manufactured by the same weak sisters that couldn't get us a better deal than SL-10 which was a MUCH worse deal than SL-9 (for us)

SLI 1 vs SLI 2 is debatable. But, one cannot argue the furlough protection provided by SLI2 AND the much better RSW Global Seniority that was handed over by Kelly with nary a whimper from our emasculated union.

It's time to get back in the fight not against each other. The next buyout is coming and even your beloved RM acknowledges and admits that it's not in our (all of ours) best interest to have another tranny debacle go down where we RSW lose even more RSW pilot seniority.

If you can't wrap your arms around that then, Yes, you are not finished pi$$ing moaning and whining about the SLI and you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You're still talking about the SLI? Sorry, man, but I'm not interested. Old news. If you want to talk about contract talks, uniting the pilot group, etc., then let's discuss. But we've beaten the SLI horse to a bloody pulp, and nobody is changing anyone's mind about it. Waste of time.

 

[Roomwithaview]

You're still talking about the SLI? Sorry, man, but I'm not interested. Old news. If you want to talk about contract talks, uniting the pilot group, etc., then let's discuss. But we've beaten the SLI horse to a bloody pulp, and nobody is changing anyone's mind about it. Waste of time.

You're still wasting your time on subjects that don't/won't matter to you in 4 months?

Additionally, don't think the fact that you WANT to talk about the SLI when you want to do some SWA bashing and then you DON'T want to talk about it when you get called out on your BS.

Thanks for checking in FLIFO thought leader. Can I put my name in the hat even if I have only less than 500 posts?

 

[PCL_128]

You're still wasting your time on subjects that don't/won't matter to you in 4 months?

I have plenty of friends of AirTran, so the issues do matter to me, even if they will never affect me personally.

Additionally, don't think the fact that you WANT to talk about the SLI when you want to do some SWA bashing and then you DON'T want to talk about it when you get called out on your BS.

I don't talk about the SLI at all, anymore. It's an exercise in futility, and even the cathartic value in bitching about it has waned. Let it go.

 

[Nindiri]

A lot of good things here at SWA including pay, hotels, and other stuff, but who the hell came up with this pos open time/trip trading system? Hot, dot, snot, elitt, it's all crap. What took 5 minutes on the simple and elegant FLICA takes hours on this system and is similar to a visit to Hades. Slightly less hellish if you're really senior, but still the worst system I've ever seen. Could you guys not get something better by now?

 

[canyonblue]

A lot of good things here at SWA including pay, hotels, and other stuff, but who the hell came up with this pos open time/trip trading system? Hot, dot, snot, elitt, it's all crap. What took 5 minutes on the simple and elegant FLICA takes hours on this system and is similar to a visit to Hades. Slightly less hellish if you're really senior, but still the worst system I've ever seen. Could you guys not get something better by now?

It gets better when you know how to use it. My unofficial survey shows me that many FATP don't completely understand the system, and not one OSWP junior to them cares if they do.

 

[Nindiri]

Can't blame the junior guys for that.

But I get the impression that this whole system is set up to favor senior guys and screw the rest.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Nindiri

A lot of good things here at SWA including pay, hotels, and other stuff, but who the hell came up with this pos open time/trip trading system? Hot, dot, snot, elitt, it's all crap. What took 5 minutes on the simple and elegant FLICA takes hours on this system and is similar to a visit to Hades. Slightly less hellish if you're really senior, but still the worst system I've ever seen. Could you guys not get something better by now?

BINGO!

A classic example of our NC/BOD getting schooled and in turn, schooling the membership. The OT system was supposed to be a "TEST" and then when we all decried how f*cked up it was implemented swapa came back with the xcuse that nothing could be changed because we were too far down the road. That and the fact that they used the strategy to pit pilot against pilot as the main reason it is broken. (FCFS) Couldn't be more wrong.

Scheds shoves all the flying in the later rounds, or splits and farms everything out to other bases so as to avoid paying POT at any cost. It all comes crashing down at the last minute and then if you live less than 20 minutes from base or are a friend of scheds and can get them to buy off on the SWMP then you're making bank.

STC was/is a big broohaha and since swapa can never seem to garner any cohesiveness the former NC head was going to toss the next admin under the bus re: the grievance. Not much choice really as he had to admit they effed it up and the grievance would have no merit. FF to when we were supposed to end the test period and swapa caved.

You'll find that swapa will always stick it to the membership first and foremost before they stand up to the company. And when it comes time to vote on a TA, it will be a hard sell with all the easter eggs and land mines hidden by some fluffy comm piece.

RM should have a field day.