AirTran MEC Chair message.

[GoodTimes]

How many times did we hear, "it's not about the money" in the months leading up to the SLI?

And now it is about the money?

I'm confused.

 

[PCL_128]

How many times did we hear, "it's not about the money" in the months leading up to the SLI?

And now it is about the money?

I'm confused.

For me, it was never about the money, and it still really isn't. I just want my seniority back. But, that's impossible. The pilots voted that away because they weren't willing to accept the risk. And that part of the SIA was a 3-party document, so we can't change that without SWAPA's permission, which obviously isn't going to happen. That leaves us with nothing to get except for money. It doesn't really fix the fundamental problem, but at least it would soften the blow for a lot of our pilots. Not to mention that it's just plain wrong to have a b-scale on property.

 

[GoodTimes]

You're MEC wanted to play hardball, got their arse handed to them and now you're not happy with the way things are playing out.

 

[PCL_128]

My MEC did exactly what I wanted them to do: turn down a crappy SLI proposal. The only thing I can blame them for is not firing the Merger Committee afterwards.

 

[GoodTimes]

Either way, what's done is done. Everything that's happened since is just business. Shoveling money at you to ease the pain is a pipe dream.

 

[redflyer65]

How many times did we hear, "it's not about the money" in the months leading up to the SLI?

And now it is about the money?

I'm confused.

It was a loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars for that 'no' vote. Money that will never be re-gained. Definitely not from a greivance. The pilots should have decided for themselves.

 

[Britpilot]

It doesn't help when you guys gloat at our misfortune.
I guess you are happy with the B scale airline. The divide is growing.

 

[scoreboardII]

That leaves us with nothing to get except for money. .

No one is gloating, but that leaves you with complying with the SLI YOU voted for and not crying about it.

 

[PCL_128]

That leaves you with complying with the SLI YOU voted for and not crying about it.

I didn't vote for it, so I'll "cry" about it all I want, thanks. And you seem to be missing the point here: we were lied to and mislead by management during the voting process.

 

[redflyer65]

It doesn't help when you guys gloat at our misfortune.
I guess you are happy with the B scale airline. The divide is growing.

No gloating here. Your MEC voted against the first agreement.

 

[Britpilot]

Trust me, plenty of you are gloating don't pretend otherwise.
And we are looking at a possible furlough too. Gets better here all the time.

 

[vixin]

For me, it was never about the money, and it still really isn't.

I guess I can count on you to donate any extra compensation from this to the charities of my choosing. Once you come over to the place you loathed so much. Ill give you a routing number to send the funds. OK? Plus anything you win from any such grievance.

 

[PCL_128]

I guess I can count on you to donate any extra compensation from this to the charities of my choosing. Once you come over to the place you loathed so much. Ill give you a routing number to send the funds. OK? Plus anything you win from any such grievance.

I'll consider that as soon as you give me back my seniority.

 

[waveflyer]

Trust me, plenty of you are gloating don't pretend otherwise.
And we are looking at a possible furlough too. Gets better here all the time.

I've not seen one pilot on this side gloat. Zero. That would assume there's something to gloat about-
Seriously, best option: get the choice to go to delta. You'd find 100% support for that from Swapa. And 100% support for those who actually want to be here.

 

[waveflyer]

I'll consider that as soon as you give me back my seniority.

What seniority? you really want to argue that again with your fuzzy math?
Be realistic. DOH would mean these were equal jobs and for your most senior would equal a 20% loss of seniority because we have guys who've been here since the early 80's. Do you?
Keep being realistic- think this group would allow any AT pilot to go above a Morris pilot who got stapled? You're being dumb if you thought otherwise.

Then let's look at precedent. Every integration gave seniority for widebody pay. Why? Lifestyle? Quality of pairings? Or money? Pilots bid 90% for money and no other reason.

You get fully integrated and you get an industry leading contract and 8 new bases. You don't get everything. The ONLY thing you had to give was seniority and a vast majority of us will always believe you didn't give enough- should have been DOH -5 across the list- and you'd still be ahead IMO -

But we've had this debate already haven't we?
I will welcome all of you that want to be here sincerely, but those with an attitude, I hope you do everybody a favor and move on in some way.
Again, I will push for you to have that choice if you want delta. That seems like the best solution for many of you.

 

[redflyer65]

And we are looking at a possible furlough too. Gets better here all the time.

Trust me Brit, I don't think anyone is getting furloughed, but again your junior pilots had more furlough protection and a TON more money in the first agreement.

But it was voted down. The SW pilots had nothing to do with that.

 

[redflyer65]

Then let's look at precedent. Every integration gave seniority for widebody pay. Why? Lifestyle? Quality of pairings? Or money? Pilots bid 90% for money and no other reason.

You get fully integrated and you get an industry leading contract and 8 new bases. You don't get everything. The ONLY thing you had to give was seniority and a vast majority of us will always believe you didn't give enough- should have been DOH -5 across the list- and you'd still be ahead IMO -

Well stated Wave. You hit the biggest points in one short post.

 

[madjack]

One side will never see the other side...ever

 

[vixin]

Well said wave. I guess he is all mouth and money does matter. Otherwise he can donate anytime to my two charities.

 

[Britpilot]

I've not seen one pilot on this side gloat. Zero. That would assume there's something to gloat about-
Seriously, best option: get the choice to go to delta. You'd find 100% support for that from Swapa. And 100% support for those who actually want to be here.

There you go. How many Captain seats did you gain? There is no Delta option, you know that.
I was told by one of your guys that I was not good enough to be a SWA FO because I didn't have a type. Really? I have a type and six thousand hours of 737 time, but not good enough apparantly.

 

[Britpilot]

Trust me Brit, I don't think anyone is getting furloughed, but again your junior pilots had more furlough protection and a TON more money in the first agreement.

But it was voted down. The SW pilots had nothing to do with that.

I agree, it shoud have gone to the pilots but we should not have been placed in that situation either.



As far as furlough goes, crunch the numbers there are too many pilots so many of us are preparing for furlough.

It appears as though the company does not want to integrate us. If they did then it would have already been done.

 

[scoreboardII]

I didn't vote for it, so I'll "cry" about it all I want, thanks. And you seem to be missing the point here: we were lied to and mislead by management during the voting process.

I'll give you $1000 cash if you walk up to Gary Kelly and call him a liar and he agree's.

 

[vixin]

I was told by one of your guys that I was not good enough to be a SWA FO because I didn't have a type.

I would have had your back and told that guy the type doesnt mean diddly. Just a foolish requirement that excluded a lot of good pilots because they didnt want to gamble $8000. He probably got hired here with minimum time and believes he is the best because thats what they told him in the school house.

 

[redflyer65]

I would have had your back and told that guy the type doesnt mean diddly. Just a foolish requirement that excluded a lot of good pilots because they didnt want to gamble $8000. He probably got hired here with minimum time and believes he is the best because thats what they told him in the school house.

Agreed. +1

 

[FlyinGuy]

It appears as though the company does not want to integrate us. If they did then it would have already been done.

Do you actually pay attention to what you write, or do you just blab for the sake of blabbing?

You will be integrated according to the timeline. The same timeline that was in the SLI agreement, the same timeline that is still written today, and the same timeline that we will be talking about tomorrow. Could it go faster? sure. Will it go 6 months to a year longer? possibly.

 

[XR650R]

I would have had your back and told that guy the type doesnt mean diddly. Just a foolish requirement that excluded a lot of good pilots because they didnt want to gamble $8000. He probably got hired here with minimum time and believes he is the best because thats what they told him in the school house.

+1
Unfortunately we have a bunch of guys here that truly believe they're special (they're not). I'm not sure where that attitude comes from but I grow tired of it. And for the record, anyone who had to buy a type from a type rating factory knows it's all eye wash. My type at ACT in Dallas was an absolute joke. The check cleared and I passed my my type ride. Imagine that.

 

[dh82dvr]

Pilots bid 90% for money and no other reason.

The ONLY thing you had to give was seniority and a vast majority of us will always believe you didn't give enough- should have been DOH -5 across the list- and you'd still be ahead IMO -

If it had been DOH -5, would it really have been enough or would you have wanted more. The guys on the AT side are faced with uncertainty. I believe they will all be ok and will be transitioned, however, I understand their concern. Try and appreciate that fact.

Here is what is certain. The deal is done. There is no going back. Nothing can be solved on FI.

Its long past time to move forward and work together to achieve great things. I am lucky enough to have come across the partition. Its been a fantastic experience. I hope everyone comes sooner rather than later. No matter what anyone tells you, you don't get it until you experience it for yourself.

Cheers more beers

:beer:

 

[dragontamer]

Welcome across the partition dh82dvr!

 

[Britpilot]

Do you actually pay attention to what you write, or do you just blab for the sake of blabbing?

You will be integrated according to the timeline. The same timeline that was in the SLI agreement, the same timeline that is still written today, and the same timeline that we will be talking about tomorrow. Could it go faster? sure. Will it go 6 months to a year longer? possibly.

Do you actually pay attention to what you write?
This time line does not exist. There isn't one yet you state that I will be integrated in accordance with it.
I'll send you my employee # then perhaps you can give me a date that I can expect to cross the fence.
I expect to be furloughed long before that happens anyway.

 

[Bake]

Brit, then you are either a current SWA pilot on SWA painted equipment or you are not at either AT or SWA all together. I say this because all AT pilots will be across the partition in the next 2.5 years. Also, SWA will not furlough under normal recessions etc. If WW3 starts, maybe but not a recession. Line totals will drop I predict, but they will not furlough. My penny.

DH, welcome across. Glad you are enjoying it so far. I still do for the most part, however there are some days that get to ya.