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[Luv2BFlyin]

always

13% of us agree with you.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Well this kool aid drinker would be real pissed if they give you money bc you didn't get to go to delta, but I still get all of you bidding senior to me. A choice to go to DAL is a win-win-win. Money over a grievance is a lose-lose- win. You better look towards finding that win-win vs just you win, or I expect you'll fail.

At this point, I'd just be happy to not lose anymore with this "lottery ticket". We haven't won anything.

See you on the AM's!

 

[scarlet]

Sorry, but SWA is stuck in the 80s...

Cant Codeshare (its been almost 2 years) great 700+ in the It dept.(losing millions) can't connect passengers.
Can't charge for bags (losing millions/billions over time)
Twin-engine taxi for years (losing millions/billions over time)
Boarding a complete nightmare! Embarrassed when compared to other airlines.
Standby cant figure out where you are on the stby list? Really?
Cant assign seats?
Buddy Passes are paper and request only? 2012 anyone?
Internet on the fleet? AA Yes Airtran Yes Delta Yes
6-7 week training course for qualified airline pilots (wasted millions) (DL mgt did it right)
One hour and ten minutes to get a drink in the middle of the cabin? Where are the carts?

Was not really impressed on first flight.

I thought SWA was getting all 58 737s in 2012,2013,2014=NO? oh well, guess those upgrades on those aircraft can wait. SWAPA cant be happy. Heard AT was keeping 41 of them till late in 2014?
Why would SWA mgt want to pay higher rates and not be able to collect bag fees on those flights.

Would go to Delta=just saying !

 

[bladeusa]

In my opinion.. SWA needs to learn to be more tactical -react, adapt, and make some changes a lot quicker, instead of being so strategic. the 2010's and 20's are going to be nothing like the 1980's and 90's. The edge that swa had then is gone. -and its not coming back in the same form. The last couple years are a good example of whats to come. That and many of the employees there need to come to the realization that their sh!t does in fact stink just like the rest of us.

 

[humveedriver]

Sorry, but SWA is stuck in the 80s...

Cant Codeshare (its been almost 2 years) great 700+ in the It dept.(losing millions) can't connect passengers.
Can't charge for bags (losing millions/billions over time)
Twin-engine taxi for years (losing millions/billions over time)
Boarding a complete nightmare! Embarrassed when compared to other airlines.
Standby cant figure out where you are on the stby list? Really?
Cant assign seats?
Buddy Passes are paper and request only? 2012 anyone?
Internet on the fleet? AA Yes Airtran Yes Delta Yes
6-7 week training course for qualified airline pilots (wasted millions) (DL mgt did it right)
One hour and ten minutes to get a drink in the middle of the cabin? Where are the carts?

Was not really impressed on first flight.

I thought SWA was getting all 58 737s in 2012,2013,2014=NO? oh well, guess those upgrades on those aircraft can wait. SWAPA cant be happy. Heard AT was keeping 41 of them till late in 2014?
Why would SWA mgt want to pay higher rates and not be able to collect bag fees on those flights.

Would go to Delta=just saying !

Are you Encino Man? Did you just thaw out of your frozen cave and heard the news?

 

[Full of LUV]

Sorry, but SWA is stuck in the 80s...

Cant Codeshare (its been almost 2 years) great 700+ in the It dept.(losing millions) can't connect passengers.
No outsourcing
Can't charge for bags (losing millions/billions over time)
That is the strategic marketing advantage. Mgmt says millions in market share coming to SWA to avoid baggage fees.
Twin-engine taxi for years (losing millions/billions over time)
Easier / safer to taxi faster!
Boarding a complete nightmare! Embarrassed when compared to other airlines.
First come / first serve puts fault of bad seat on pax shoulders vs airline, probably increases customer opinion because if you get middle seat you think " well I should have gotten to the airport another hour earlier"
Standby cant figure out where you are on the stby list? Really?
Nonrevs should be lucky for a ride, this way they are happy to get a middle seat.
Cant assign seats?
See above, it's the pax problem if they are left with middle seat.
Buddy Passes are paper and request only? 2012 anyone?
They should be so lucky to get a ride.
Internet on the fleet? AA Yes Airtran Yes Delta Yes
SWA pax would watch too much porn inflight for a practical internet solution. Have you seen the way some of the women dress for the flight?
6-7 week training course for qualified airline pilots (wasted millions) (DL mgt did it right)
Did they get trained at Higher power, if not all bets are off...
One hour and ten minutes to get a drink in the middle of the cabin? Where are the carts?
Keeps down the soda costs if it takes all flight to disperse. Probably took a bit to get to service because they had to sing a song first.

I thought SWA was getting all 58 737s in 2012,2013,2014=NO? oh well, guess those upgrades on those aircraft can wait. SWAPA cant be happy. Heard AT was keeping 41 of them till late in 2014?
Why would SWA mgt want to pay higher rates and not be able to collect bag fees on those flights.

Remember, grass is not always greener, everywhere has it's warts.
LUV

 

[SWA Bubba]

Sorry, but SWA is stuck in the 80s...

Cant Codeshare (its been almost 2 years) great 700+ in the It dept.(losing millions) can't connect passengers.
Can't charge for bags (losing millions/billions over time)
Twin-engine taxi for years (losing millions/billions over time)
Boarding a complete nightmare! Embarrassed when compared to other airlines.
Standby cant figure out where you are on the stby list? Really?
Cant assign seats?
Buddy Passes are paper and request only? 2012 anyone?
Internet on the fleet? AA Yes Airtran Yes Delta Yes
6-7 week training course for qualified airline pilots (wasted millions) (DL mgt did it right)
One hour and ten minutes to get a drink in the middle of the cabin? Where are the carts?

Was not really impressed on first flight.

I thought SWA was getting all 58 737s in 2012,2013,2014=NO? oh well, guess those upgrades on those aircraft can wait. SWAPA cant be happy. Heard AT was keeping 41 of them till late in 2014?
Why would SWA mgt want to pay higher rates and not be able to collect bag fees on those flights.

Would go to Delta=just saying !

Good point. Southwest Airlines is run so badly, how do we even stay in business? Thanks for all your wisdom, however. I'm sure that the GO will jump all over your suggestions, since you obviously know better how to run an airline than they do.

The only thing you said that I agree is a problem, is that our IT department sucks. They're too slow a lot of the time. Other than that, most of the stuff you bitch about is are consicous decisions, made by an airline management that, for the most part, seems to know what it's doing. For example, it's not that we can't assign seats, it's that we don't want to assign seats. Same with boarding; they've tested other ways, and this works out for us with our non-assigned seating policy.

By the way, you do realize that since you dislike it so much, you DO have options, right?

Bubba

 

[afhercdriver]

Maybe to keep that SWA spirit, GK will find a way to pay all of the SWA pilots the same over the next three years..... that would smooth a lot of it over. What pilot would want a "B" scale for three years on their SL?

That sounds like a great idea but you are going to have to give me back the 100 seniority numbera I lost between SL 9 and 10.

Jim

 

[waveflyer]

That sounds like a great idea but you are going to have to give me back the 100 seniority numbera I lost between SL 9 and 10.

Jim

Exactly. And I'd need 200#'s.

 

[Lear70]

Then we need ALL our Captain retention slots back... without displacement language if the total number of CA seats is going to be reduced.

See how that works? I can do it too!

 

[27 driver]

Exactly. And I'd need 200#'s.

And we need the $1,000 to $6,000/ month and QOL we will be losing over the next three years. You guys still gained relative seniority, lost $0 and 0 QOL. We lost seniority, pay and QOL. Sorry that's not enough for you.

 

[redflyer65]

Your MEC voted against the first NEGOTIATED agreement. You can thank them.


Let's move on Gentleman.

 

[27 driver]

Your MEC voted against the first NEGOTIATED agreement. You can thank them.


Let's move on Gentleman.

Red,
While I agree that our MEC screwed us....I don't have sympathy for those who gained seniority. And as you guys like to point out 80% + of you guys voted for it as well. The difference is we lose and $. Not by not getting your pay but by decreasing our credit by %10 to %20.

 

[redflyer65]

27,

I completely agree with you regarding the decreased credit. I'm sorry your having to endure that. Make no sense to me. Let me put it this way...

As a shareholder (with well over a thousand shares), I'd like to see you guys flying max hours over the summer and really making some money for OUR company (and for you personally) so we get higher profit sharing and a higher stock price.

If I were making the decisions, you guys would be flying your @ss off.

RF

 

[PCL_128]

That sounds like a great idea but you are going to have to give me back the 100 seniority numbera I lost between SL 9 and 10.

Jim

My pay has no relation to your seniority.

 

[MILF Hunter]

My pay has no relation to your seniority.

Respectfully, I must disagree! Below are sections from Side Letter 10 of the SWAPA CBA, the Seniority Integration Agreement.

A. AirTran Pilots will be transitioned to Southwest and will be subject to and covered by the
Southwest/SWAPA CBA upon entering training for service as Southwest Pilots. At that time,
they will also be eligible for and covered by current benefit and insurance plans and any other
programs available to current Southwest Airlines Pilots, subject to standard eligibility​

requirements.

6. Reference to Section 4.C. EQUIPMENT LONGEVITY PAY:
Effective January 1, 2015, the B717 rates will snap up to B737 rates applicable in the
CBA at that time. Until such time, current AirTran pilots' B717 pay rates will remain at
the AirTran rate, adjusted as needed for TFP /block hour conversion and any applicable​

increase per the AirTran CBA.

 

[PCL_128]

Only one problem with your quote of your CBA there, MILF: I don't work under your CBA or your Side Letter 10. Those documents only cover AirTran pilots after they've transitioned to Southwest.

 

[waveflyer]

Then we need ALL our Captain retention slots back... without displacement language if the total number of CA seats is going to be reduced.

See how that works? I can do it too!

"you can do it too"??
That's what you seem to be trying to do- get back the money you lost by not letting AT pilots vote- but none of the rest of the agreement-

Sorry, but if you want to press for an actual choice to go with your planes to delta- I'm all for that-
But grievance money en lieu??? Especially the ridiculous sums you were talking Lear, ($800k/pilot...? Really? )and I'd be against that (as if that matters much), but more importantly predict that GK would be against that and put significant resources against a pay out based on that logic. I simply predict you'd lose-

Badly.

But I'm sure you'll ignore me and press on just as you did with the SLI's.
Just may want to ask yourself how that turned out for your pilot group.

This company, as big as its getting, still runs on "win-win"

 

[K-Mart]

800K/Pilot????:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

I don't think Lear was suggesting that we would expect $800k/pilot for a settlement. He was only pointing out what the potential damage could be in a worst case scenario (for the company) if an arbitrator were to award the grievance to the Association. That possible damage is the motivation for the company to bargain in good faith towards a settlement that would be much less costly.