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[Britpilot]

Brit, then you are either a current SWA pilot on SWA painted equipment or you are not at either AT or SWA all together. I say this because all AT pilots will be across the partition in the next 2.5 years. Also, SWA will not furlough under normal recessions etc. If WW3 starts, maybe but not a recession. Line totals will drop I predict, but they will not furlough. My penny.

I'll send you my employee # so you can verify me.

We will NOT all be over in 21/2 years, far from it. There is no time line, if there was I would know about it.

Pilots four years junior to me are crossing over before me, not right.

We will be around 400 numbers fat and it is not possible for us all to complete the required 60 days training by Jan 2015 so you tell me what will happen.

New reservation system not in place for at least two more years will further slow the pace of integration.

So you see your time frame is impossible and there is a very good chance of furlough.

 

[Citrusflyer]

I keep hearing folks say the time line is on track. Really? Lear has shown #'s to show it's not. If you don't believe him, and are somewhat decent at math, try some - you can't come up with a way to get all the AT folks over until late 2015 at the earliest.

If the SWA guys have an actual timeline for us to see, I'd love to look at it. SWAPA doesn't have one, nor does ALPA. If the company has one, they're not showing us. No one on the AT side has one, save for the original, and that still has 717 transitions, so we know its void.

"SWA has never furloughed"..., yeah I get that. But as many SWA guys state, the AT pilots are not real SWA pilots - yet. Furloughs could very easily occur on the AT side, and the "Southwest has never furloughed" statement would still be true - in their eyes.

 

[Bake]

My timeframe is only impossible in your eyes. I will start with your employee number. I don't care and don't need to verify you, it doesnt matter. Next para.... There is a timeline and you do know about it. It says, that all of you will be over here by Jan 2015.

It may not be right that people junior to you are getting here before you, but I'm not here to debate right and wrong.

60 days of training? I consider day one of training as across the partition. Maybe you don't but I believe when you get that SWA ID, you are across. 60 days???? who told you that crap.

SWA will not furlough unless the world is in a really bad way. See, Avengers, bad way.

 

[Bake]

I keep hearing folks say the time line is on track. Really? Lear has shown #'s to show it's not. If you don't believe him, and are somewhat decent at math, try some - you can't come up with a way to get all the AT folks over until late 2015 at the earliest.

If the SWA guys have an actual timeline for us to see, I'd love to look at it. SWAPA doesn't have one, nor does ALPA. If the company has one, they're not showing us. No one on the AT side has one, save for the original, and that still has 717 transitions, so we know its void.

"SWA has never furloughed"..., yeah I get that. But as many SWA guys state, the AT pilots are not real SWA pilots - yet. Furloughs could very easily occur on the AT side, and the "Southwest has never furloughed" statement would still be true - in their eyes.

I'm sorry, you guys are right. You will be stuck on your side of the partition from now on. You will never come over and you will be furloughed. Keep pounding the negativity guys, it does you and your family alot of good. I hear Sonic is hiring. People like drive ins this time of year. Best of luck.........

 

[dh82dvr]

Welcome across the partition dh82dvr!

Thanks. My liver hurts!

 

[Bake]

Now that's funny, so does mine.

 

[Britpilot]

My timeframe is only impossible in your eyes. I will start with your employee number. I don't care and don't need to verify you, it doesnt matter. Next para.... There is a timeline and you do know about it. It says, that all of you will be over here by Jan 2015.

It may not be right that people junior to you are getting here before you, but I'm not here to debate right and wrong.

60 days of training? I consider day one of training as across the partition. Maybe you don't but I believe when you get that SWA ID, you are across. 60 days???? who told you that crap.

SWA will not furlough unless the world is in a really bad way. See, Avengers, bad way.

That's what I keep telling you. We will not all be over by Jan 2015 it's impossible.
How many guys are getting across this year? About 100, that leaves 1650 of us to go.

The 60 days of training crap comes from your Training Dept. That is their time frame regardless of current equipment. Now crunch the numbers and tell me your time frame will work.

 

[Britpilot]

I'm sorry, you guys are right. You will be stuck on your side of the partition from now on. You will never come over and you will be furloughed. Keep pounding the negativity guys, it does you and your family alot of good. I hear Sonic is hiring. People like drive ins this time of year. Best of luck.........

Thanks we need it.

 

[Bake]

Hey dude, Like I said, I consider day one of training across the partition. I never said you would finish training by Jan 2015, I said you would start. Training is NOT 60 days. With your limited ability to read and understand I can see why you are scared.

 

[Bake]

Thanks we need it.

You need more than luck with those brain skills there Einstein.

 

[Bake]

Here This should help you get a jumpstart on your buddies.

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[Britpilot]

Nice, insults, guess what they say about you guys is true.

 

[Bake]

and I guess what they say about you is true..........

 

[humveedriver]

I still think it is by design that SWA is just going to miss the mark by a smidge regarding bringing folks across the partition by 2015. And yes the junior FO's at AT will be collateral damage. But I don't think SWA wants to downgrade the top 200-300 AT Captains, just to have to retrain them ($$$). That's my hunch. The other hunch is that, while SWA is very good at making business decisions, they suck *ss at operational decisions. Like having a worthless reservation for so long and keep in place prior to buying an international airline knowing that it would not support airline integration.

- actually, not necessarily junior FO's since the transition is not in seniority order. The ID is issued on day 1, but training to include sim and IOE is 60 days.

 

[Britpilot]

You need more than luck with those brain skills there Einstein.

Nice d1ckhead real nice.

 

[Britpilot]

and I guess what they say about you is true..........

Riiiight.
By the way, ask the AT guys who just finished training how long it took, wow......63 days. Who knew?

 

[Beechdriver32]

Brit-

I agree that you guys got screwed.

You really should sue everyone you can to get what you deserve.

Really. You should.

Instead of just complaining, put your money where your mouth is and try to make it right.

 

[scoreboardII]

That's what I keep telling you. We will not all be over by Jan 2015 it's impossible.
How many guys are getting across this year? About 100, that leaves 1650 of us to go.

The 60 days of training crap comes from your Training Dept. That is their time frame regardless of current equipment. Now crunch the numbers and tell me your time frame will work.

264 FO's have or will be trained this year so your way off.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Brit, I also do not believe that you will all cross by Jan 15 (there is the timeline). I think that SWA is in a bit of a crunch and will miss that mark. I do believe that come Jan 15 you will all be on SWA pay scales. You might want to take a deep breath and chillax a bit. It does wonders for the stress. Remember this is a marathon not a sprint.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Its more like a pub crawl.

There is some moving around, some drinking, some fighting, and some puking. In the end everybody is a winner and a loser.

 

[Britpilot]

264 FO's have or will be trained this year so your way off.

Nope, you're way off. Only 178 were scheduled to cross befote the cancelled classes.

 

[dh82dvr]

Its more like a pub crawl.

Its exactly like a pub crawl.

:beer:

 

[canyonblue]

I guess you are happy with the B scale airline. The divide is growing.

Didn't you guys fight for those wages? Over 99% voted to strike for those wages, now they are not good enough? You get Southwest wages when you fly Southwest lines, what is so hard to figure out? I'm starting to think Airtran picked up some of you guys on e-harmoney, where the heck is the weeding out process.

uke:

 

[fletch717]

Didn't you guys fight for those wages? Over 99% voted to strike for those wages, now they are not good enough? You get Southwest wages when you fly Southwest lines, what is so hard to figure out? I'm starting to think Airtran picked up some of you guys on e-harmoney, where the heck is the weeding out process.

uke:

One luv baby....... I think I feel it.
I can't wait to vote yes on a concessionary contract as a swapa pilot, just for fun.

Karma...... It ain't just a German car.

 

[Tripower455]

One luv baby....... I think I feel it.
I can't wait to vote yes on a concessionary contract as a swapa pilot, just for fun.

Karma...... It ain't just a German car.

You're gonna fit right in around here!

 

[waveflyer]

There you go. How many Captain seats did you gain? There is no Delta option, you know that.
I was told by one of your guys that I was not good enough to be a SWA FO because I didn't have a type. Really? I have a type and six thousand hours of 737 time, but not good enough apparantly.

Could care less that you don't have a type- mostly the type indicates that we were willing to sacrifice fairly big money bc we WANT to work here. It's not a referendum on pilot skill- its a referendum on working with an owner mentality and Swa saying they valued that. Our issue about the type is one with mgmt, not you. For a lot of us it was a bigger sacrifice at the time than it would be today- and that sacrifice doesn't seem to be respected by mgmt or AT pilots in this integration. But honestly- no beef with you.

Now what I know I don't know is why your fragmentation language wouldn't be triggered by what's happened? What's the point in having that language if this situation doesn't apply?

 

[Britpilot]

I do have the type.
Fragmentation does not apply as the airframes are being sub leased not sold.

 

[Britpilot]

Didn't you guys fight for those wages? Over 99% voted to strike for those wages, now they are not good enough? You get Southwest wages when yo:bomb:u fly Southwest lines, what is so hard to figure out? I'm starting to think Airtran picked up some of you guys on e-harmoney, where the heck is the weeding out process.

uke:

:bomb:

Actually we were told th:blush:at we would only be on this contract for a year as we would transisition to your contract in a year. That was two years ago. We were sold a pony.

 

[redflyer65]

I do have the type.
Fragmentation does not apply as the airframes are being sub leased not sold.

I thought PCL and Lear said it met the definitions under the fragmentation clause. What gives?

 

[PCL_128]

Now what I know I don't know is why your fragmentation language wouldn't be triggered by what's happened? What's the point in having that language if this situation doesn't apply?

It does apply. But when management violates a contract, the only option is the grievance process. We can't force Delta to take us, all we can do is hold SWA management accountable for not abiding by our CBA.