AirTran MEC at SWAPA

[Ty Webb]

I rode Virgin to SAN yesterday and saw two SW pilots with stickers on their bags that said "It's an aquisition, not a merger". I'm guessing this will be a rocky merger.

They should have read "in denial" and " We merged with AirTran and all I got was this lousy bag sticker... and 138 planes, 30 gates at the busiest airport, International Ops ...."

 

[T3700]

I can only hope that the Airtran folks on this board are NOT representative of the feelings prevelant down south. If so, I hope this deal falls through...and soon. If the Airtran folks on this board represent the "2%'ers", then maybe our good deal in this dorked up industry will continue...even after we acquire Airtran. In that case, I truly welcome each and every Airtran crewmember.

Just as the AAI folks hope the majority of the SWA comments on this board represent the 2%'ers on the Southwest side.

 

[OldManPilot]

I have to laugh out loud every time I read a post by a SWA pilot saying this deal will fall apart because of the pilot SLI problems (if and when they exist). Ask yourself why requiring the SLI be completed for the pilots prior to close of the deal was not included as a part of this deal? This merger/acquisition will be complete long before the SLI is complete. The pilot SLI WAS left out so that the pilot groups COULD NOT screw this up. Please get over yourselves. SWA and AAI management know what a incredible opportunity this is and refused to let the pilots screw it up. Think about it!

 

[Cometman]

I have to laugh out loud every time I read a post by a SWA pilot saying this deal will fall apart because of the pilot SLI problems (if and when they exist). Ask yourself why requiring the SLI be completed for the pilots prior to close of the deal was not included as a part of this deal? This merger/acquisition will be complete long before the SLI is complete. The pilot SLI WAS left out so that the pilot groups COULD NOT screw this up. Please get over yourselves. SWA and AAI management know what a incredible opportunity this is and refused to let the pilots screw it up. Think about it!

Correct: That is why the lists will be merged from 1993 and the ratio of 4:1 will be used. Simple and fair. If Ty and dicko are not happy then so be it.

 

[S3sundowner]

Comet, that looks like a good starting point for the trannies, however you also have to factor in all their gains. So a 6 or 8:1 will probably be more like it. I would love to see the reaction of these aai guys on here if this deal did fall thru. They'd take a staple in a heartbeat.

 

[S3sundowner]

It's really like the fat chick winning on "The Batchelor".

 

[S3sundowner]

PW, I think your posts are more than reasonable; I don't know why you waste your time. I predict this will not go to arbitration and will be settled fairly quickly as both sides want to get this done and I expect the aai nc to be far more realistic than the peeps on here. FOs stapled with a 2 year fence. Oh and pay protected.

 

[Cometman]

Comet, that looks like a good starting point for the trannies, however you also have to factor in all their gains. So a 6 or 8:1 will probably be more like it. I would love to see the reaction of these aai guys on here if this deal did fall thru. They'd take a staple in a heartbeat.

I used 4:1 just because SWA is about 4 times bigger. I did not figure any of the gains. Some of the AAi guys say they are bringing this and that. Some SWA guys say they bring this and that. So, if you just start at the 4:1 which is a just and fair start you can go from there. If you want 5:1 and they feel good then go with that. If you want to keep increasing the ratio and everybody is happy, great.

 

[S3sundowner]

CM, if you want to get into the gains, swa guys are talking gains in your pocket. aai guys have nothing there. Company gains, all the pilots gain through growth, profit sharing, raises, etc. swa will be a totally different animal here by the end of the decade, and all the pilots are going to benefit from that. The aai guys have to be realistic, get this done and enjoy the ride.

 

[Whataburger]

I rode Virgin to SAN yesterday and saw two SW pilots with stickers on their bags that said "It's an aquisition, not a merger". I'm guessing this will be a rocky merger.

How do you know they aren't furloughed America West pilots?

 

[FIREMAN]

Comet, that looks like a good starting point for the trannies, however you also have to factor in all their gains. So a 6 or 8:1 will probably be more like it. I would love to see the reaction of these aai guys on here if this deal did fall thru. They'd take a staple in a heartbeat.

Would not take a staple even if we were about to close the doors!!

 

[dicko]

CM, if you want to get into the gains, swa guys are talking gains in your pocket. aai guys have nothing there. Company gains, all the pilots gain through growth, profit sharing, raises, etc. swa will be a totally different animal here by the end of the decade, and all the pilots are going to benefit from that. The aai guys have to be realistic, get this done and enjoy the ride.

Those Grapes are mighty sour aren't they 'Downer' .... ? How's that 73 Type working out for you buddy ?

 

[Cometman]

CM, if you want to get into the gains, swa guys are talking gains in your pocket. aai guys have nothing there. Company gains, all the pilots gain through growth, profit sharing, raises, etc. swa will be a totally different animal here by the end of the decade, and all the pilots are going to benefit from that. The aai guys have to be realistic, get this done and enjoy the ride.

The gains can be handled by the NC of each airline. However, the starting point will be 1993 and a ratio of 3.5:1 at a minimum. Fences and pay protections will be whatever is normal and practical. I agree the gains are great for AAI and not much for SWA. You are also correct that whatever the company gains both sides will benefit from that.

 

[S3sundowner]

Hey Dicko, things might not always be as we would like them, and some things are not what they appear to be. And to answer your question, pretty well thanks!

 

[dicko]

Hey Dicko, things might not always be as we would like them, and some things are not what they appear to be.

I have absolutely no problem agreeing with you on both counts.

 

[Bob Dylan]

Would not take a staple even if we were about to close the doors!!

Really? Jobless vs 200k a year.

You might actually get to make that choice soon. Heard that the deal is off.

 

[Ty Webb]

You might actually get to make that choice soon. Heard that the deal is off.

Ha, Ha! Joke's on you! :laugh:

Guess you'll just have to keep crying into your pillow, but I hear that's how you like it. :erm:

 

[Bob Dylan]

Ha, Ha! Joke's on you! :laugh:

Guess you'll just have to keep crying into your pillow, but I hear that's how you like it. :erm:

According to my stockbroker, "That deal will never happen. Too much at stake with the Southwest culture."

 

[swa737-700]

According to my stockbroker, "That deal will never happen. Too much at stake with the Southwest culture."

Does this industry guru work for a major financial company, and if so, who? Don't 'cha think Gary and company have already considered this minor issue?

 

[Ty Webb]

According to my stockbroker, "That deal will never happen."

Well, that settles it.


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