AirTran MEC at SWAPA

[The Prussian]

That would be fine by me. I will have no problem accepting the final result. Not so sure about some of the angrier ladies on this board, though.

Your statement right there says a lot about your viewpoint, as well as the viewpoint of most of the AAI pilots. It's easy to accept an arbitrator's decision upfront, when you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Thanks for at least admitting that much.

 

[Ty Webb]

Your statement right there says a lot about your viewpoint, as well as the viewpoint of most of the AAI pilots. It's easy to accept an arbitrator's decision upfront, when you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Thanks for at least admitting that much.

Oh, so I don't have anything to lose, is that what you're saying? Yeah, that's right. I've only invested ten years and have gotten to the 30th percentile. I'm only holding the schedules I want, holidays off and a short, on-line commute to ATL.

I have nothing to lose by this merger. Yeah, that extra $50K that I don't really need will make everything OK.

I kept my first wife, bought my house at the right time, and my toys are paid for. Trading away my QoL for more money doesn't interest me. YMMV,

 

[S3sundowner]

So Ty, you'll have no problem accepting a permanent fence at your pay rates? Cool.

 

[vixin]

Oh, so I don't have anything to lose, is that what you're saying? Yeah, that's right. I've only invested ten years and have gotten to the 30th percentile. I'm only holding the schedules I want, holidays off and a short, on-line commute to ATL.

I have nothing to lose by this merger. Yeah, that extra $50K that I don't really need will make everything OK.

KMAYSMF

Like I said keep all that and be an FO. Money isnt important. Who cares about a seat unless you are in need of an ego boost. All the other benefits have been hashed already. Or do you need a refresher of those for the 100th time.

But whats in it for ME? Hypocrite! I know I am an idiot. Big words from such a wordly individual.

 

[MILPILOT17]

Ty, Don't forget that in the real world you guys would have been shown the street after someone escorted you to your desk to retrieve your personal items. The same would have applied to the SWA pilots if a company had come in and purchased SWA. You had a choice and you chose to stay at AT. Be thankful you're not being shown the street!

 

[waveflyer]

Your QOL is going to change Ty- no matter where you end up on the list- the pairings will be very different- we like them a lot here- but the whole operation out of ATL will be different- and your little fiefdom isn't paramount -

Let me introduce a line you will hear all the time at WN-
"it's all about you, isn't it?"
"he's terrible, it's all about him in his world"

You can hold onto your selfishness- but it's about the one thing most southwest employees don't tolerate in their team.

You ought to get on board- bc this ships departing- and it would be a shame if you pissed yourself off, or even pissed this job away- bc you were afraid of changes around the corner. You might just like your new life and company Ty- but all I do know- is that your old life will be different in the not so distant future-

 

[Ty Webb]

WF-

I will do just fine as part of SWA. My point is that there is more to this than pay. Longevity has more value than pay.

Some of your co-workers seem to feel that we should just take the money and shut up about seniority. That isn't the way it works. Pay is transient, seniority is not. If pay rates change downward, are you going to give me my seniority back? I don't think so.

 

[Ty Webb]

Like I said keep all that and be an FO. Money isnt important. Who cares about a seat unless you are in need of an ego boost. All the other benefits have been hashed already. Or do you need a refresher of those for the 100th time.

But whats in it for ME? Hypocrite! I know I am an idiot. Big words from such a wordly individual.

Sorry, pal. If it comes down to money versus seniority, seniority rules. And that is what I have expressed to our MC. I suggest your express your views to your MC.

 

[Kharma Police]

Your QOL is going to change Ty- no matter where you end up on the list- the pairings will be very different- we like them a lot here- but the whole operation out of ATL will be different- and your little fiefdom isn't paramount -

Let me introduce a line you will hear all the time at WN-
"it's all about you, isn't it?"
"he's terrible, it's all about him in his world"

You can hold onto your selfishness- but it's about the one thing most southwest employees don't tolerate in their team.

You ought to get on board- bc this ships departing- and it would be a shame if you pissed yourself off, or even pissed this job away- bc you were afraid of changes around the corner. You might just like your new life and company Ty- but all I do know- is that your old life will be different in the not so distant future-

The subtly of your post is very telling. I have a feeling, Ty and my AirTran people will always be my family and you guys will just be my co-workers.

 

[S3sundowner]

Well that's decided then. I guess you'll get to keep your seniority!

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty, Don't forget that in the real world you guys would have been shown the street after someone escorted you to your desk to retrieve your personal items.

In the "real world" (and I am a business owner, btw) we aren't tied to seniority, and when you change jobs it is almost always a step up . . .not down. That is why McCaskill/Bond and Allegheny/Mohawk exist.

 

[Cometman]

Sorry, pal. If it comes down to money versus seniority, seniority rules. And that is what I have expressed to our MC. I suggest your express your views to your MC.

If you are a 9 yr Captain with AAI then you will be slightly lower with SWA. That means after the fence you will be a FO. Still a good deal.

 

[Ty Webb]

If you are a 9 yr Captain with AAI then you will be slightly lower with SWA. That means after the fence you will be a FO. Still a good deal.

This is my tenth year. I have passed my 9th anniversary. Tenth-year pay. You do understand the way longevity works, right?

Thanks for your concern about my seat and pay, but I think you might be more than just a little surprised in the end. You have yourself a good one, y'hear?

 

[ivauir]

I have a feeling, Ty and my AirTran people will always be my family and you guys will just be my co-workers.

If it goes that way it will be because you choose that path. There are plenty of people ready to welcome you here.

But cordiality is a two way street. There continue to be a perfect and unfortunate non examples in AAI posters.

I can only hope that they are in the minority and that we can fashion a even stronger company going forward.

 

[PapaWoody]

WF-

I will do just fine as part of SWA. My point is that there is more to this than pay. Longevity has more value than pay. ** original text highlighted **

Some of your co-workers seem to feel that we should just take the money and shut up about seniority. That isn't the way it works. Pay is transient, seniority is not. If pay rates change downward, are you going to give me my seniority back? I don't think so.

Ty,

Not to jump on the dog-pile, but I think it's very telling your usage of the word "longevity". Seniority and longevity are two different things, but since we work in a profession where seniority is based upon longevity, why do you think it is okay to disregard our longevity (which relative seniority would do) and gain seniority in this combined company out of sync with your longevity? You work for a smaller, newer company that has lower qualifications to get hired by...of course your longevity will translate into better seniority there. But to expect to transfer that seniority to our company laterally, while reaping all the improvements of our superior contract and work rules...well, you can see why Southwest guys would be a little taken aback by your position. You say you want to be treated fair, and you don't want to "lose" anything, but unfortunately, for you to gain what you stand to gain without acknowledging the differences in longevity based seniority at this company and transfer your seniority straight across would be unfair to every SWA girl/guy on our list.

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

 

[Ty Webb]

PW,
This is getting redundant.

Contracts change, seniority doesn't. You seem to think we should give up relative seniority for pay.

If things in the industry or at a combined SW change for the worse, will SWAPA "refund" the relative seniority I gave up because your pay rates were superior? Of course not.

 

[PapaWoody]

PW,
This is getting redundant.

Contracts change, seniority doesn't. You seem to think we should give up relative seniority for pay.

If things in the industry or at a combined SW change for the worse, will SWAPA "refund" the relative seniority I gave up because your pay rates were superior? Of course not.

Ty,

I posed a valid question - why should your longevity at AAI translate into relative seniority at Southwest, considering you were hired at a smaller, newer company with lower qualifications and were able to achieve seniority faster because of that fact? Still waiting for an answer.

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

 

[roughneck]

You seem to think we should give up relative seniority for pay.

I don't want to come off as a jerk but you WILL give up relative seniority for our contract and the previledge of working at SWA if they ever combine the two carriers. It won't matter if it goes to arbitration, your relative seniority at AT doesn't equal relative seniority at SWA. Southwest and Airtran are not equals and you are being purchased. This isn't a merger or equals as you seem to believe.

 

[vixin]

PW,
This is getting redundant.

Contracts change, seniority doesn't. You seem to think we should give up relative seniority for pay.

If things in the industry or at a combined SW change for the worse, will SWAPA "refund" the relative seniority I gave up because your pay rates were superior? Of course not.

Talk about redundant. You sir are an IDIOT! I will lower myself to your childish level. Maybe you can now comprehend.

He cant answer questions with his blind eye.

 

[PapaWoody]

Still waiting....**cricket**, **cricket**