AirTran MEC at SWAPA

[Secret Squirrel]

By one of "those guys" do you mean one of "those guys" who are speaking the truth?

AirTran pilots are far from assured that they will ever fly a SWA jet. If this SLI gets ugly, Gary will not combine the operations. There is to much at risk for SWA. AirTran pilots will be the 717 (regional) feed for Mainline SWA and the operations will not combine.

Someone should ask your MEC chairman at your LEC meeting next week if you don't believe me. I bet he has some insight and I bet you are shocked by his answer.

What I mean is that all these threads have gone full retard. SWA pilots puffing out the chest spewing bravado about how great they are. Airtran guys pretending any part of their contract is comparable to the SWA contract. And either side in any way believing that their post is going to change anything or Anybodies mind. Except for bob dylan and cometman and his crew who are just here to stir up the pot because "they don't work at either company but......" . The unions will negotiate, they will agree or it will go to arbitration. Then we will move on. Some people will have hang ups but they usually go through life that way. Now back to your regular scheduled rants.

 

[Cometman]

What I mean is that all these threads have gone full retard. SWA pilots puffing out the chest spewing bravado about how great they are. Airtran guys pretending any part of their contract is comparable to the SWA contract. And either side in any way believing that their post is going to change anything or Anybodies mind. Except for bob dylan and cometman and his crew who are just here to stir up the pot because "they don't work at either company but......" . The unions will negotiate, they will agree or it will go to arbitration. Then we will move on. Some people will have hang ups but they usually go through life that way. Now back to your regular scheduled rants.

We are the only ones that speak the facts. We have nothing to gain or lose. Like I said before, it will start in 1993 and it will be a minimum of 3.5:1 but most likely more. The reason no AAI responds to this is because they know it is the way it will happen. That is the fair way for both. However, the last 700-1000 AAI guys will be on the bottom. Fences and pay protection will be fair. After you factor in the gains for AAI it will most likely be a ratio of 6-8:1.

 

[Max Powers]

We are the only ones that speak the facts. We have nothing to gain or lose. Like I said before, it will start in 1993 and it will be a minimum of 3.5:1 but most likely more. The reason no AAI responds to this is because they know it is the way it will happen. That is the fair way for both. However, the last 700-1000 AAI guys will be on the bottom. Fences and pay protection will be fair. After you factor in the gains for AAI it will most likely be a ratio of 6-8:1.

yep you are correct sir! I fully recommend you use that as your closing argument to the arbiter.

 

[ivauir]

I know you guys make WAAAAAAAAYYYYY more money than we do but if you had our retirement plan you would retire with more.

Not really. Most of us are up against Federal limits for qualified money already.

 

[Kharma Police]

I asked my broker to investigate the SWA / AirTran acquisition, thinking I'd throw some play money in the mix, and then he came back with saying there was no smart play in his opinion - other than shorting AAI. He thinks there may be an opportunity shorting AirTran since it will likely crash when the deal falls through. His opinion, of course.

Boy golly!, who would have known that airlines stocks are a risky investment? Wow!, how much do you pay that guy for his wise counsel? Does he have anymore hot obvious tips?

I'm not a broker or a doctor but I'll give you some free advice that I'm sure your physician hasn't told you, smoking is bad for your health.

 

[Cometman]

yep you are correct sir! I fully recommend you use that as your closing argument to the arbiter.

Well, there will not be a staple, and there will not be relative seniority, so this is right in the middle. Any other way would not be fair and equitable. Time will tell. You apparently will not like it but I think everybody else will.

Now, if you were hired in 1993 then you will end up somewhere close to that. You are a lucky man.

 

[PapaWoody]

Wow, it only took two days after you said you were not one of "those" guys to become one of "those" guys.

There's more than one way for this to go South. For instance, if the AAI MEC makes unreasonable demands and forces this to arbitration when it can and should be worked out amongst the groups. That would be a huge blow to the culture at this place and has the possibility of having a lasting negative impact on all of our careers, regardless of how the integration ends up. Demanding relative seniority is unrealistic & unreasonable and, imo, would be like taking a bite out of the hand that's about to serve you a heaping helping of awesome. By all means, engage in the negotiations with the intent to do as much good for your membership as you can, but along the way, try to interject a little reality into your position. That's called negotiating in good faith, and it is imperative to us having a good working relationship when this is all said and done. And, yes, I fully expect the SWAPA M&A committee to do the same.

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

 

[Ty Webb]

We are the only ones that speak the facts.

:laugh::laugh: "We come in peace". "Take us to your leader". "Soylent Green is good for you".:laugh:

The reason no AAI responds to this is because they know it is the way it will happen.

No, the reason we are not responding to your drivel is because we are actually following the guidance that both Unions have put out. That, and Murphy's Law-

"Never argue with a fool, people may not know the difference".

 

[ASADFW7]

full retard, only Sean Penn has ever gone full tard

 

[27 driver]

So what your saying Papa is that anything less then a staple is not fair for SWA guys. You do know that isn't going to happen right?

 

[PapaWoody]

So what your saying Papa is that anything less then a staple is not fair for SWA guys. You do know that isn't going to happen right?

Please point out where I have ever used the word staple or indicated that that was how I thought this would/should go? The only thing I have been adamant about is that relative seniority (i.e. the 1% AAI guy (a 1993 hire) next to our 1% guy (a 1974 hire) or a 50% AAI guy (a 2004 hire?) next to our 50% guy (a 2001 hire)) is definitely not the definition of fair and equitable in this case when you guys have all the improvements across the board to look forward to. I realize that staple is a four letter word to you guys, and I respect that, but you have to understand relative seniority is about as insulting to us. Hope that clears it up.

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

 

[27 driver]

Please point out where I have ever used the word staple or indicated that that was how I thought this would/should go? The only thing I have been adamant about is that relative seniority (i.e. the 1% AAI guy (a 1993 hire) next to our 1% guy (a 1974 hire) or a 50% AAI guy (a 2004 hire?) next to our 50% guy (a 2001 hire)) is definitely not the definition of fair and equitable in this case when you guys have all the improvements across the board to look forward to. I realize that staple is a four letter word to you guys, and I respect that, but you have to understand relative seniority is about as insulting to us. Hope that clears it up.

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

Papa, I don't know what to expect. I don't think it will be a relative thing. I would bet it will be more of a ratio type deal. I am a reasonable guy but will not vote yes to taking it in the ass. If the groups can't come together then we will accept the arbitrators decision.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

You guys don't get it, none of us are going to vote. Thier going to get it as close as possible, then send it to arbitrator. U can put gold bricks on both sides and it still wouldn't get voted in by one side or the other, and they know this.

 

[Ty Webb]

You guys don't get it, none of us are going to vote. Thier going to get it as close as possible, then send it to arbitrator. U can put gold bricks on both sides and it still wouldn't get voted in by one side or the other, and they know this.

That would be fine by me. I will have no problem accepting the final result. Not so sure about some of the angrier ladies on this board, though.

 

[Lear70]

PW, I think your posts are more than reasonable; I don't know why you waste your time. I predict this will not go to arbitration and will be settled fairly quickly as both sides want to get this done and I expect the aai nc to be far more realistic than the peeps on here. FOs stapled with a 2 year fence. Oh and pay protected.

Thankfully, I know two of our MC members well enough to walk up to them or simply call them up and ask, and, just as thankfully, have heard from their very own mouths that nothing even REMOTELY approaching the inane drivel you posted above will even be considered for a split second.

Fair, yes. Staple? No. So yes, you can put the swingline away now...

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled mud slinging.