AIRTRAN has a TA ?!?!

[Lear70]

Lear.. I haven't said I'm voting for anything... But, isn't the scope for 88 seats or less? I havent even got a chance to look at the entire thing, but trust me, I will, and Im thinking a "no" vote is in order... My point was simply, that it looks to be better than what the rumors were saying.. Simple as that.. There is a tone of chitty things, but I don't think anyone was expecting 180+ hr, even though it happens at year 15.. Year 12 would put the company in the ball park..

*whew!* Good... you scared me there for a second.

I think you're right, $180/hr at Year 12 would be in the ballpark, with no 15-year pay scale in either seat.

I haven't seen the Scope section in its entirety, only a confirmation that the language doesn't protect against 90- or 100- seat jets reconfigured for business class service which is an immediate NO vote for me. Like I've said before, that could scope a large portion of us right out of a job or at least into stagnation of growth for several years when they decide to replace the 717 fleet with Embraers.

The addition of new planes doesn't really help either with the replacement of MEH aircraft. That carrot is way too little to make any real difference.

The flight attendants are going to absolutely LOVE us if we sign for aircraft movement to door-open... The summer of love is here,,,

 

[skystud25]

Need to be very careful. Skywest is lurking behind the contract door and waiting for the call. They've already negotiated to fly for Midwest and you can bet AirTran has spoken with them about future possibilities.
I hope everyone will look at Delta and see that a 70 seat RJ can and will take your job. Let's make em' all AirTran pilots.

...makes me recall the thread on the regional board about SKW and their supposed interest in the CRJ-1000. I bet with a business class that would be just under 100 seats...Wouldn't take many to replace the 717 altogether...

 

[USARET]

no it's the worst possible time to do that.

The Union has caved on this issue and several others since Christmas. I think they have satisfactorily demonstrated that their talents have been exceeded. The last thing we need are more concessionary actions by the current administration. The time has certainly come.

 

[gt1900]

First off... After hearing more, Its gonna be a "no" vote for me.. Lear, there is somthing more to the scope than just 88 seats or less, but I wasn't really listening to the union guy when he was explaining.. Second, I have to call with a doctors note because I ate bad food and now have the chits.. YGTBFKM........ Plus, the 4hr a day guarantee is gone?? I can see it now, how many 1 leg days are we gonna have when we sit until 4 in the afternnon and then fly from MEM to ATL.. B.S....Now, there is a couple things that aren't too bad.. Top out pay at 180+hr is good, if it were for 12 year pay.. I think $100hr for FO's is pretty good as well, at 12 years.. 12.5% for the B-fund is in the right direction too.. But, the union really did botch this, or, maybe they played it brilliantly... Maybe, if our pilot group turns it down with an 80%+ NO vote than we can actually get a contract that works...

 

[bladeusa]

but.. how many 15 year capts and 12 year fo's do we have?
chirp.. chirp.. chirp..
exactly.

 

[Lear70]

OK... here we go.

Year Capt ... Current ..... New ...... % Increase

1st ........... $ 71.21 .... $ 91.63 ......... 29% (no CA's currently on 1st year pay)
2nd .......... $101.70 .... $115.42 ........ 13% (no CA's currently on 2nd year pay)
3rd .......... $106.30 .... $119.82 ......... 13%
4th .......... $112.27 .... $124.39 ......... 11%
5th .......... $120.01 .... $129.13 ......... 8%
6th .......... $123.50 .... $134.05 ......... 9%
7th .......... $127.15 .... $138.83 ......... 9%
8th .......... $131.87 .... $142.69 ......... 8%
9th .......... $136.85 .... $146.97 ......... 7%
10th ........ $144.00 .... $151.38 ......... 5%
11th ........ $147.33 .... $155.92 ......... 6%
12th ........ $152.57 .... $160.60 ......... 5%
13th ........ $152.57 .... $165.41 ......... 8%
14th ........ $152.57 .... $170.38 ......... 12%
15th ........ $152.57 .... $175.49 ......... 15%

1.5% raises every year for COLA.

F/O data coming...

 

[ATLplt]

Some details are now up on the NPA site...

 

[gt1900]

Looks bad bad and getting worse..

 

[EMBATP]

pay scales are great but its what the check says on payday that really counts

work rules scope language merger stuff etc

 

[gearup5]

Anything greater than 50 seats on scope and this is a no vote.

 

[Lear70]

Year F/O ... Current ..... New ...... % Increase

1st ........... $ 42.75 .... $ 42.75 ......... 0%
2nd .......... $ 55.94 .... $ 63.48 ........ 13%
3rd .......... $ 60.59 .... $ 68.29 ......... 13%
4th .......... $ 66.24 .... $ 74.63 ......... 13%
5th .......... $ 72.01 .... $ 77.48 ......... 8%
6th .......... $ 74.10 .... $ 80.43 ......... 9%
7th .......... $ 78.37 .... $ 83.30 ......... 6%
8th .......... $ 79.12 .... $ 85.61 ......... 8%
9th .......... $ 79.12 .... $ 88.18 ......... 7%
10th ........ $ 79.12 .... $ 90.83 ......... 11%
11th ........ $ 79.12 .... $ 93.55 ......... 18%
12th ........ $ 79.12 .... $ 96.36 ......... 22%

No 13, 14, or 15 year F/O rates

1.5% raises every year for COLA.


Remember, we didn't have anything more than 8 year F/O rates, so increases after that are a bit misleading.

 

[Lear70]

Signing bonus is a formula (the formula doesn't really seem to work):

1.17% times 48 months at your current pay scale.

Me: Year 2 F/O ..... $63.48 * 1.17 * 48 = $3,565 (payout scale actually shows $2,957).

$1,991 for a 1st year F/O.
$5,581 for a 3rd year CA (CA scale starts here).

Max 8th year F/O $3,988
Max 14 year CA $7,937

Not even one month at guarantee at the OLD rates...

 

[Lear70]

pay scales are great but its what the check says on payday that really counts.

Yup.

A 13% pay raise.

Deduct 3% for door-to-door.
Deduct 3% for loss of 4 hour day (on average looking back at my actual pay).

Becomes 6% pay raise, or not even COLA.

Not to mention SCOPE,,, did I mention SCOPE?

 

[EMBATP]

if we sign this turd, we are all gonna need a big jar of this:
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[newnan]

How many times did AP and the BOD tell us not to focus on hourly pay and instead look at the whole package? What's the first thing they post? Pay and signing bonus. That could very well be the best part of the deal and that ain't gonna sell it (I hope!).

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

if we sign this turd, we are all gonna need a big jar of this:
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now i know how elton john feels.....

because you're going to have a big gay orgy afterwards????

I don't understand.

 

[SkiFishFly]

I have yet to call in sick...BUT

The doctor's note requirement is enough to make me vote: NO!

 

[Eagle757shark]

The doctor's note requirement is enough to make me vote: NO!

Hey SkiFishFly, I've read through all 66 pages of the TA and no where in there do I see that you must submit a doctor's note. I see that we can return to a trip after calling in sick. I see that our sick bank will increase to 5 hours a month and that the emergency sick bank will be terminated. Just curious where you saw the note thing. I'm reading the whole TA on the Union website under TA.

 

[Eagle757shark]

Guys on the Union web page there is a 66 page detail of the TA, section by section. Some highlights....Pay will begin when the aircraft is pushed back for departure unless the door has been shut for more than 5 minutes. Then our pay will start on the 6th minute if the aircraft has not been pushed. 13 hour duty day may be scheduled. Short call and long (12 hour ) call out for reserves. The scope goes up to 86 seats. In Jan 2008 terminate the Platinum ppo. It says that you will get paid minimum 4 hours for a day trip and 4.5 hour average for multiple days. Well folks, just a few things I read. If you aren't able to access and have a question...just let me know.

 

[Lear70]

Shark, what you are reading is a Powerpoint synopsis of the T.A.

NOT the full document.

It's the MEC's highlights, nothing more. Of course they're not going to tell you the bad parts, that's not in their best interest.

Don't make your decision on the Powerpoint presentation on the website, wait until you have the FULL document, which is going to tell you a lot of things the Powerpoint presentation didn't...