AIRTRAN has a TA ?!?!

[gt1900]

Top pay at year 15 is over $180 on the 4th year of the contract... Year 12 is around 167..... Top fo pay is around $100/hr at year 15 and 3rd year pay is $68 once the contract is signed.. 12.5% retirment...

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Top pay at year 15 is over $180 on the 4th year of the contract... Year 12 is around 167..... Top fo pay is around $100/hr at year 15 and 3rd year pay is $68 once the contract is signed.. 12.5% retirment...

Another reason I will vote NO. I don't want to go to 15 year pay. Keep it at 12 and just keep increasing the top end contract after contract. that actually will cost company more as more and more people wil reach 12 year mark and get top pay.

If we pass 15 what's next? 20? then 25? All they're doing is dividing the X amount of money that pilots will get by higher number of years diluting our pay.

 

[EMBATP]

as stated in another thread....work rules scope and language....

 

[Lear70]

Top pay at year 15 is over $180 on the 4th year of the contract... Year 12 is around 167..... Top fo pay is around $100/hr at year 15 and 3rd year pay is $68 once the contract is signed.. 12.5% retirment...

Don't tell me you're even CONSIDERING voting yes for this P.O.S.

That 3rd year F/O pay you quoted SHOULD be 2nd year F/O pay.
$100 an hour should occur around year 10 F/O.

Not to mention the pay CUT we're going to take from losing door-close-to-door-open, the 4 hour min day (which makes up about 10% every MONTH looking back over the last year), and let's not forget the reserve section.

What about requiring a doctor's note for just about every sick call? You think that's OK? What happens if you're sick over a weekend or holiday and your regular doctor's office is closed. No provision for the company to reimburse you that $50 or $100 copay for an E.R. visit to get a "doctor's note".

Oh yeah, I forgot,,, SCOPE? You think that's OK to lose 100 seat jets configured for business class with less than 100 seats? Not to mention the move of the 737-800's and A320's into the "Small Narrow Body class" which is a 13% pay CUT if we convert our -700 options and/or acquire/merge with a carrier who has A320's.

What makes this T.A. even VAGUELY worth voting for?

Anyone?

Current book and continue to negotiate = more money in pocket, better QOL, and job protection.

Anything less is PURE STUPIDITY!!!

Flame away...

 

[gt1900]

Lear.. I haven't said I'm voting for anything... But, isn't the scope for 88 seats or less? I havent even got a chance to look at the entire thing, but trust me, I will, and Im thinking a "no" vote is in order... My point was simply, that it looks to be better than what the rumors were saying.. Simple as that.. There is a tone of chitty things, but I don't think anyone was expecting 180+ hr, even though it happens at year 15.. Year 12 would put the company in the ball park..

 

[Lear70]

Lear.. I haven't said I'm voting for anything... But, isn't the scope for 88 seats or less? I havent even got a chance to look at the entire thing, but trust me, I will, and Im thinking a "no" vote is in order... My point was simply, that it looks to be better than what the rumors were saying.. Simple as that.. There is a tone of chitty things, but I don't think anyone was expecting 180+ hr, even though it happens at year 15.. Year 12 would put the company in the ball park..

*whew!* Good... you scared me there for a second.

I think you're right, $180/hr at Year 12 would be in the ballpark, with no 15-year pay scale in either seat.

I haven't seen the Scope section in its entirety, only a confirmation that the language doesn't protect against 90- or 100- seat jets reconfigured for business class service which is an immediate NO vote for me. Like I've said before, that could scope a large portion of us right out of a job or at least into stagnation of growth for several years when they decide to replace the 717 fleet with Embraers.

The addition of new planes doesn't really help either with the replacement of MEH aircraft. That carrot is way too little to make any real difference.

The flight attendants are going to absolutely LOVE us if we sign for aircraft movement to door-open... The summer of love is here,,,

 

[skystud25]

Need to be very careful. Skywest is lurking behind the contract door and waiting for the call. They've already negotiated to fly for Midwest and you can bet AirTran has spoken with them about future possibilities.
I hope everyone will look at Delta and see that a 70 seat RJ can and will take your job. Let's make em' all AirTran pilots.

...makes me recall the thread on the regional board about SKW and their supposed interest in the CRJ-1000. I bet with a business class that would be just under 100 seats...Wouldn't take many to replace the 717 altogether...

 

[USARET]

no it's the worst possible time to do that.

The Union has caved on this issue and several others since Christmas. I think they have satisfactorily demonstrated that their talents have been exceeded. The last thing we need are more concessionary actions by the current administration. The time has certainly come.

 

[gt1900]

First off... After hearing more, Its gonna be a "no" vote for me.. Lear, there is somthing more to the scope than just 88 seats or less, but I wasn't really listening to the union guy when he was explaining.. Second, I have to call with a doctors note because I ate bad food and now have the chits.. YGTBFKM........ Plus, the 4hr a day guarantee is gone?? I can see it now, how many 1 leg days are we gonna have when we sit until 4 in the afternnon and then fly from MEM to ATL.. B.S....Now, there is a couple things that aren't too bad.. Top out pay at 180+hr is good, if it were for 12 year pay.. I think $100hr for FO's is pretty good as well, at 12 years.. 12.5% for the B-fund is in the right direction too.. But, the union really did botch this, or, maybe they played it brilliantly... Maybe, if our pilot group turns it down with an 80%+ NO vote than we can actually get a contract that works...

 

[bladeusa]

but.. how many 15 year capts and 12 year fo's do we have?
chirp.. chirp.. chirp..
exactly.

 

[Lear70]

OK... here we go.

Year Capt ... Current ..... New ...... % Increase

1st ........... $ 71.21 .... $ 91.63 ......... 29% (no CA's currently on 1st year pay)
2nd .......... $101.70 .... $115.42 ........ 13% (no CA's currently on 2nd year pay)
3rd .......... $106.30 .... $119.82 ......... 13%
4th .......... $112.27 .... $124.39 ......... 11%
5th .......... $120.01 .... $129.13 ......... 8%
6th .......... $123.50 .... $134.05 ......... 9%
7th .......... $127.15 .... $138.83 ......... 9%
8th .......... $131.87 .... $142.69 ......... 8%
9th .......... $136.85 .... $146.97 ......... 7%
10th ........ $144.00 .... $151.38 ......... 5%
11th ........ $147.33 .... $155.92 ......... 6%
12th ........ $152.57 .... $160.60 ......... 5%
13th ........ $152.57 .... $165.41 ......... 8%
14th ........ $152.57 .... $170.38 ......... 12%
15th ........ $152.57 .... $175.49 ......... 15%

1.5% raises every year for COLA.

F/O data coming...

 

[ATLplt]

Some details are now up on the NPA site...

 

[gt1900]

Looks bad bad and getting worse..

 

[EMBATP]

pay scales are great but its what the check says on payday that really counts

work rules scope language merger stuff etc

 

[gearup5]

Anything greater than 50 seats on scope and this is a no vote.