AIRTRAN has a TA ?!?!

[Citrusflyer]

Well.....the longer it takes the less confident I'll be that it's a good contract.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

From what im hearing from the P2P, this thing sucks. Why would they sign off on this? But Im still waiting to it see before I decide.

 

[Lear70]

I'm P2P and they've given us a few highlights but, of course, none of the bad news, only positives which is unrealistic and a bit insulting that they can't give us the bad as well as the good.

Scope is the big kicker and if it's anything like Allen said at the recurrent luncheon, this thing is DOA with a large majority of us.

The company tried 50-seaters and didn't like them; I'm therefore not worried about those. I AM concerned about anything bigger than that, including turboprops (the Q-400 by Bombardier seats 70+ people in a business class configuration and does 350 KTAS more efficiently than the 70-seat RJ, making it a perfect short-stage 90 minute or less platform).

Therefore, anything that doesn't STRICTLY require AAI pilots flying anything over 50 seaters has my immediate NO vote. I've learned the "Legacy Lesson", and hope others have as well.

Among the notable "Pros" in the P2P message:

"T/A was reached on Retirement - improvements in 401k MATCHING"

"The Compensation tables from the company are 'acceptable'."

"Fact: the 13 hour day comes with a 6-hour duty rig".

That last part was noted to be a response to pilots already waiting to "vote it down". Evidently they're hearing the rumors, too (how can they not). At least one or two people on the BOD read this forum so they're hearing the message...

Hope it's everything we need...


p.s. Not even the P2P's got an update this evening. The word is that the BOD adjourned without a consensus and will meet again starting tomorrow morning.

 

[ultrarunner]

However, I seriously doubt that Captain Schnedorf or anyone else from the Midwest MEC is coming down to ATL just to assist with the TA. If he's coming down, then it's probably merger related.

It's all boondogle crapola meetings and political/union posturing to even HAVE any meetings, until such time as the companies are talking with each other related to the AAI buy-out of MEH. Right now there is essentially nothing. MEH wants to stay solo. NPA should tell MEH ALPA to stay home till there is a deal. It's all a waste of time at this point!

 

[BR715]

no Average Day

 

[Murphy]

It sure is going to get interesting around Tranland the next few weeks. Maybe they can make a reality TV show.

 

[Lear70]

For Immediate Release

Contact: Brian Gaudet
202/494-4332
[email protected]

National Pilots Association Board of Directors Endorses Tentative Agreement: Next Step Ratification Vote

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 (Atlanta) _ After more than a day of deliberations the National Pilots Associations six-pilot Board of Directors voted to endorse the tentative agreement reached over the weekend by its negotiating committee and AirTran Airways (NYSE: AAI).
The tentative agreement will now be sent to AirTrans more than 1,500 pilots for a ratification vote.

The approval of the tentative agreement by the NPA Board was no slam dunk, in fact it's a qualified endorsement predicated on the company providing the union with a series of 'questions and answers' that spell out the meaning and intent of several sections of the contract,
said Capt. Allen Philpot, President of the National Pilots Association. The board was very deliberate in its consideration of the deal hammered out by our negotiating committee and the company. While the board was satisfied with the pay and pension increases they had some difficulty agreeing to when the clock starts, meaning when a pilot starts getting paid.

If ratified, the new contract will initially increase pilot hourly pay to $160.60 per flight hour for 12-year captains from $152.57, and to $83.30 from $78.37 per flight hour for 7-year first officers. These increases will put AirTran squarely ahead of Atlanta rival Delta Air Lines for narrow body flight crews. The new contract would also improve pilot pensions by increasing the companys 401(k) match to 2 percent by the end of the contract. While not getting all that they had hoped for in the scheduling section of the tentative agreement the new contract does improve some work rules such as a two-for-one duty rig, meaning at least one hour of flight pay for every two hours on duty.

One of the positive things about this new contract is its short duration, said Capt. Philpot. The worst case scenario will have us back in negotiations within 3 and a half years because of our six month early opener provision, which will give us the chance to fix the scheduling deficiencies we were not able to improve in this contract. Under the terms of the tentative agreement the new contract will become amendable on June 30, 2011.

The NPA will release the result of its ratification vote on Thursday, June 28, 2007 after a series of meetings in Atlanta, Baltimore and Orlando to educate its members on the terms of the contract. We want the pilots to fully understand what this new contract will mean to them and how it will impact their flying at AirTran, said Capt. Philpot.

Well, it's coming...


Everyone better start evaluating what your personal REQUIREMENTS are for living with an agreement for 4-7 years (despite AP's mention of a 6 month early opener which hasn't done crap for any other carrier that has it).

 

[Lear70]

5.2% raise for the senior CA's = not even COLA for the last 2 1/2 years.

Don't know what the raises are for most F/O's, as we maybe have a dozen 7-year F/O's who won't (or can't) upgrade out of almost 1,600 pilots.

I love how he compares it to Delta's IMPOSED BANKRUPTCY rates for narrowbody pilots.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows those DAL rates aren't going to stay there under the next contract and will go up substantially.

 

[DougCorp-9]

Give me an N. Give me an O. What's that spell.....

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Give me an N. Give me an O. What's that spell.....

Why don't you READ IT BEFORE you decide?