Airlines where Pilots Clean the Cabin

[Sgt. Hartman]

dude...that is why you fly CARGO! duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

You don't have antthing against freight pilots, do ya?

 

[B-atch]

[originally posted by CatYaaak] "Demeaning the proffession"...."Lowering standards"....."Leads to lav cleaning as a job requirement"..."Management conspiracy"...."blah blah blah blah yada yada spew"......what a bunch of psuedo-rational garbage.

Time and duties permitting, if as a member of the CREW you won't lend a hand to the rest of YOUR CREW crossing seat belts or picking up newpapers to help get YOUR aircraft ready and in shape for the next group of pax, then it boils down to being nothing more than a lazy-a$$, prima donna pu$$y.

Most likely these are the same babies whining about "dehydration" on a 90 minute flight if the F/As don't bring them water every 15 minutes, moaning that jet cockpits are "loud", or crying that the uniform hat wreaks havoc on their hair-gel sculptures.

Friggin' wankers....go fly cargo where a crew consists of nothing more than the pilots and boxes don't care what the cabin looks like. You're so over-enamoured of your "airline pilot" status that you're the type wearing your uniform to the grocery store as well.
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Noting that you'r background has been strictly CORPORATE, I can see you'r bias to my position......You DONT KNOW ANY BETTER!!!!..Keep flying you'r YAK man some of us are trying to keep DIGNITY in the profession.....
Oh by the way.... I do fly freight, but at least I don't have to carry someone-elses GOLFCLUBS!!! Have a nice day

 

[CatYaaak]

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Noting that you'r background has been strictly CORPORATE, I can see you'r bias to my position......You DONT KNOW ANY BETTER!!!!..Keep flying you'r YAK man some of us are trying to keep DIGNITY in the profession.....
Oh by the way.... I do fly freight, but at least I don't have to carry someone-elses GOLFCLUBS!!! Have a nice day

Um...wrong. Although it's true my background has been mostly corporate and VIP flying, I did accidently spend almost 5 years at the airlines...3 1/2 of them as a Captain. I do know better about what it means to lead a crew in that environment....certainly than to listen to some prima donna tell me about "dignity in the profession" as an excuse to sit on his a$$. If you think it's beneath you to cross some seatbelts to help out the crew, no uniform, position, or ALPA etc card (been there got the T-shirt) will ever substitute for the dignity you lack. Might as well pin wings on a 6' tall turd.

But in my current job I don't carry anything for the pax...and not even my own bags for that matter, beginning from the hotel desk...ground handlers etc. do that. I let them do it because not only do they swarm you, but learned long ago that the poor shmoes will get in trouble if they're seen not doing it by their bosses. So I relent and I tip 'em well. We crew F/As in the cabin for all our aircraft, corporate-small as well as the airliner-large, so the teamwork concept holds. As far as the pax I fly golfing or engaging in almost any kind of physical activity???.....now THATS a laugh!

 

[B-atch]

Um...wrong. Although it's true my background has been mostly corporate and VIP flying, I did accidently spend almost 5 years at the airlines...3 1/2 of them as a Captain. I do know better about what it means to lead a crew in that environment....certainly than to listen to some prima donna tell me about "dignity in the profession" as an excuse to sit on his a$. If you think it's beneath you to cross some seatbelts to help out the crew, no uniform or position will ever substitute for the dignity you lack. Might as well pin wings on a 6' tall turd

Oh man I'm HURT....I'm realy HURT:_(................

 

[CatYaaak]

Oh man I'm HURT....I'm realy HURT:_(................

Perhaps you broke a nail typing?

 

[B-atch]

Still HURTING....BU-HU,BU-HU!!!.....Get a real JOB!!!!

And a LIFE!!

 

[8HRRULE]

You actually think that by SQUEEZING labor the major airlines will again become profitable.....Not!!! Rizing operating costs will eventually catch up to everyone. Even SW and JB.. The whole business model needs to be re-invented. Transportation needs to become a by-product of the services provided by the airline. Today's airline business models have in essence remained unchanged since the days of the DC-3...Kind of like the internal combustion engine... A bunch of new hitech gizmos have been added through evolution but IT STILL BURNS FOSSILE FUEL!!

Airlines need to become creative on extracting revenue from passengers, while providing transportation. And I'm not talking selling BOX lunches.. New technologies need to be implemented were goods and services are SOLD to the pax. while on board.. Inflight gambling needs to be legalized for example... Computer outlets need to be installed and exploited to extract additional revenue.

Take for example Las Vegas... Vegas doesn't make money from selling ROOMS to patrons. They spent BILLIONS of dollars building fancy hotels to attract patrons and practically give the rooms away... A similar concept needs to be applied to the airline business if it is to regain profitability... Cleaning cabins, working for peanuts, and further degrading the profession will not guarantee LCC pilots a permanent job. It will just prolong it.

Respectfully, dude. I disagree. The LCC business model is unstoppable and the LCC is the wave of the future. As this industry changes, so do our attitudes. We must be willing to work more for less pay or rest assured, someone else will. If you wanted an decent lifestyle, dude, your in the wrong place.

 

[CatYaaak]

Still HURTING....BU-HU,BU-HU!!!.....Get areal JOB!!!!

I've got one. Great pay, outstanding schedule, numerous perks, happy colleagues, and lots of variety. Biggest downside?..(and easily edging out "Being in close proximity to your occasional homicidal extremists"), suffering through airline travel he!! to get to and from work a few times a year. If they built train tracks across the oceans, I'd be eagerly commuting via rail instead. Oh well, no job is perfect.

Gear-pulling on a whale must be quite dignified however.....do they issue surplus Pan Am white left-hand gloves for that? Yes, it would indeed be demeaning and beneath your lofty position (I mean, what isn't?) to get icky newsprint ink smudges on them from picking up someone else's paper in the cabin. And germs...think of the germs!

 

[saabcaptain]

When I went down for my SWA interview, the Capt was helping the elderly and women with their babies on board while talking with me about how great the company is. It was a selling point for me. I cannot see it as degrading, simply a shift from old school making a ton of money with the majors to being greatful of having a freaking job post 9/11.

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m2

in only a handle full of trips so far i have never failed to witness this every single day. it makes a difference and what for some is degrading is simply the golden rule in action for others. no one makes us do what we do but we do it because it is simply the right thing to do and as a bonus it helps our bottom line as 30+ years prove.

 

[B-atch]

Catyaaak wrote

Gear-pulling on a whale must be quite dignified however.....do they issue surplus Pan Am white left-hand gloves for that? Yes, it would indeed be demeaning and beneath your lofty position (I mean, what isn't?) to get icky newsprint ink smudges on them from picking up someone else's paper in the cabin. And germs...think of the germs!

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You make me laugh... Freak!!!....Now go fetch another bag of ICE!!!

 

[NewBlue]

That's why we wear those little blue-rubber gloves.

 

[Obi-Wan]

And since when is bring coffee to the flight deck part of the flight attendant duties? It isn't at our airline, it's a courtesy that they offer to the flight crew so why can't I offer them the same courtesy and help them out?

WE DO. WE LAY THE CUTE ONES VERY WELL. IF THE CAPTAIN GETS IN ON THE ACTION, THEN WE CALL THAT TEAM WORK.

 

[SkyPigPilot]

The CEO even helps pick up the cabin when he rides. It takes 5 minutes and it's really not a big deal. It's just about the company attitude.

 

[wndshr]

there are quite a few premadonna pilots out there....with a whoppin 3000-4000 hours who think they are too good to do any other job other than talk on a radio and push buttons for a living! lets all be honest...this is the easiest job in the world!

these same premadonnas are driving their customers to jetblue in droves...so please keep up the "good work"

 

[Iamavi8TOR]

there are quite a few premadonna pilots out there....with a whoppin 3000-4000 hours who think they are too good to do any other job other than talk on a radio and push buttons for a living! lets all be honest...this is the easiest job in the world!

these same premadonnas are driving their customers to jetblue in droves...so please keep up the "good work"

This attitude is part of the reason our profession is going downhill.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Moron

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there are quite a few premadonna pilots out there....with a whoppin 3000-4000 hours who think they are too good to do any other job other than talk on a radio and push buttons for a living! lets all be honest...this is the easiest job in the world!

these same premadonnas are driving their customers to jetblue in droves...so please keep up the "good work"

Granted its easy after doing it for 3000-4000 hours; but just once, just one screw could potentially I don't take out 550+ lives (reference KLM greets Pan Am). I can only think of a couple other jobs where a screw up could take out so many people at one time: US President, Military Missle Launch Officer, Nuclear Inspector (Homer Simpson), FBI, CIA, maybe a couple other related jobs.

 

[-9Capt]

lets all be honest...this is the easiest job in the world!QUOTE]

I don't consider this the easiest job in the world. Think of what you did to get to this level, assuming you are at "this" level.

Every airline pilot, at least once in his career, earns every cent they'll ever make in just one flight.

 

[wndshr]

it is soooooo easy to get people riled up here!!! LOL

 

[-9Capt]

Who's riled up? Not me. This is just a conversation.

 

[Iamavi8TOR]

it is soooooo easy to get people riled up here!!! LOL

...mmmmhh-hhmm..... Nice attempt at damage control.

 

[slowto250]

Someone in a much earlier post said it already. We have allowed management to lower the bar and degrade our profession immeasurably.

Save all your "teamwork" and " I'm not above manual labor" bullsh!t for somebody who gives a damm.

Most of you pukes (and you know who you are), don't know the meaning of dignity or self respect. Get off your collective knees, before your kids are too embarrassed to admit they're related to you.

 

[IB6 UB9]

took you almost a month to come up with that...?

 

[slowto250]

took you almost a month to come up with that...?

UBstupid,
Just read the thread tonight for the first time. Got a problem with the content of my post ? If not, STFU.

 

[Ralgha]

I got a problem with your attitude.

I don't think pilots should be REQUIRED to clean the airplane, but if you're too conceited to lend a hand if you've got nothing else to do, then you're simply a jerk.

If you see someone having trouble negotiating the stairs are you just going to stand there and watch because it's not your job to help them? If someone asks you where their gate is, are you going to blow them off because it's not your job? Think about what you would do if the positions were reversed next time someone lends you a hand, or maybe you don't get any help because you're a self-important prick.

If management tells me that I have to clean the airplane, then I'd have a problem with that. If I don't have anything else to do but stand there and watch the FA straighten things up, then I'll help, because it's the decent thing to do.

 

[slowto250]

I got a problem with your attitude.

I don't think pilots should be REQUIRED to clean the airplane, but if you're too conceited to lend a hand if you've got nothing else to do, then you're simply a jerk.

If you see someone having trouble negotiating the stairs are you just going to stand there and watch because it's not your job to help them? If someone asks you where their gate is, are you going to blow them off because it's not your job? Think about what you would do if the positions were reversed next time someone lends you a hand, or maybe you don't get any help because you're a self-important prick.

If management tells me that I have to clean the airplane, then I'd have a problem with that. If I don't have anything else to do but stand there and watch the FA straighten things up, then I'll help, because it's the decent thing to do.

Well now, another voice of experience heard from. Just how much transport category / scheduled 121 experience, ya got logged junior ? Care to talk about a subject with which you have some familiarity ?

Last time I checked, flight officers had a few duties prescribed by the FAA and our operations manual, that might just conflict with your rush to earn that boyscout merit badge, or desire to play suzie homemaker.

Why don't you start a new thread called " I'm a desperate sniveling low time dork, who will lick anyones boots who'll let me fly a big shiny jet".

Just the kinda puke I referred to in my previous post.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Well now, another voice of experience heard from. Just how much transport category / scheduled 121 experience, ya got logged junior ? Care to talk about a subject with which you have some familiarity ?

Last time I checked, flight officers had a few duties prescribed by the FAA and our operations manual, that might just conflict with your rush to earn that boyscout merit badge, or desire to play suzie homemaker.

Why don't you start a new thread called " I'm a desperate sniveling low time dork, who will lick anyones boots who'll let me fly a ose big shiny jet".

Just the kinda puke I referred to in my previous post.

Well! I'll bet people fight each other over crewing YOUR flights.
Getting OFF them, I mean.
I hope that when you upgrade, you never speak to your f/os / crews this way. If you do, someday, someone will sit back and watch you f***up bigtime hoping you get your comeuppance, with possibly fatal results for all. And it will be YOUR fault! Very common CRM pitfall. You should consider attending a session. Maybe a remedial session...
This person's comment has nothing to do with how many hours he's sat on his a** in 121 experience. It's about leadership and teamwork and how it's built. I'd bet money you never threw a fallen bag back onto the beltloader during your walkaround, or said hello to a "lowly" fueler. At my previous (ALPA) carrier, nothing was said about crossing belts. Those of that did, when time permitted, enjoyed much better communication and teamwork.
You ever hear that story about "Who's packing YOUR parachute?"

And I'll match your 121 experience any time you want...

 

[slowto250]

Perhaps we flew together, Oldfreightdog. I was the guy in operations checking the weather for my assigned flight.

I think I remember you. Weren't you the janitor, cleverly disguised as a pilot ?

Didn't you read my post, where I said not to give me any of that "teamwork" bullsh!t ? This ain't about CRM. It's about pilots demeaning themselves, all under the pretense of "chipping in". A clever little management ploy that preys on their pitiful desire to remain employed as crewmembers, at any cost. Take a good look at the passengers faces when they realize that the guy in charge of their ultimate safety on the outbound leg, is collecting trash from the seatback pockets.

Have another swig of that Kool-aid they're serving.
You wouldn't be one of those guys that crossed the line at my previous ALPA carrier would ya ?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

And since when is bring coffee to the flight deck part of the flight attendant duties? It isn't at our airline, it's a courtesy that they offer to the flight crew so why can't I offer them the same courtesy and help them out? Am I so high and mighty because I'm wearing a prissy-looking white shirt with stripes on it that I can't help out? Give me a fricking break, why are we making such a big deal about this? We are part of a crew, lets fricking act like it.

Maybe because it isn't the F/As' job to clean the cabin either.
Nothing wrong with picking up the big pieces, but I'll be darned if I'll get on my knees and shovel crumbs. Let me know the next time you see an elite coporate type doing that. I've found using your feet to distribute the crumbs under the seats can make for a quite presentable cabin.

 

[semperfido]

Let me know the next time you see an elite coporate type doing that.

i have been known to occasionally vacuum and most of us wouldn't consider ourselves as elite. see definition.

e·lite or é·lite n. pl. elite or e·lites

1. 1. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
   2. The best or most skilled members of a group: the football team's elite.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

i have been known to occasionally vacuum and most of us wouldn't consider ourselves as elite. see definition.

e·lite or é·lite n. pl. elite or e·lites

1. 1. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
   2. The best or most skilled members of a group: the football team's elite.

The 'elite' in my vocabulary is always tounge-in-cheek. You're obvisouly NOT airline managment. They're a special elite breed.