Airlines where Pilots Clean the Cabin

[Fly2Scuba]

Moron

Mor

there are quite a few premadonna pilots out there....with a whoppin 3000-4000 hours who think they are too good to do any other job other than talk on a radio and push buttons for a living! lets all be honest...this is the easiest job in the world!

these same premadonnas are driving their customers to jetblue in droves...so please keep up the "good work"

Granted its easy after doing it for 3000-4000 hours; but just once, just one screw could potentially I don't take out 550+ lives (reference KLM greets Pan Am). I can only think of a couple other jobs where a screw up could take out so many people at one time: US President, Military Missle Launch Officer, Nuclear Inspector (Homer Simpson), FBI, CIA, maybe a couple other related jobs.

 

[-9Capt]

lets all be honest...this is the easiest job in the world!QUOTE]

I don't consider this the easiest job in the world. Think of what you did to get to this level, assuming you are at "this" level.

Every airline pilot, at least once in his career, earns every cent they'll ever make in just one flight.

 

[wndshr]

it is soooooo easy to get people riled up here!!! LOL

 

[-9Capt]

Who's riled up? Not me. This is just a conversation.

 

[Iamavi8TOR]

it is soooooo easy to get people riled up here!!! LOL

...mmmmhh-hhmm..... Nice attempt at damage control.

 

[slowto250]

Someone in a much earlier post said it already. We have allowed management to lower the bar and degrade our profession immeasurably.

Save all your "teamwork" and " I'm not above manual labor" bullsh!t for somebody who gives a damm.

Most of you pukes (and you know who you are), don't know the meaning of dignity or self respect. Get off your collective knees, before your kids are too embarrassed to admit they're related to you.

 

[IB6 UB9]

took you almost a month to come up with that...?

 

[slowto250]

took you almost a month to come up with that...?

UBstupid,
Just read the thread tonight for the first time. Got a problem with the content of my post ? If not, STFU.

 

[Ralgha]

I got a problem with your attitude.

I don't think pilots should be REQUIRED to clean the airplane, but if you're too conceited to lend a hand if you've got nothing else to do, then you're simply a jerk.

If you see someone having trouble negotiating the stairs are you just going to stand there and watch because it's not your job to help them? If someone asks you where their gate is, are you going to blow them off because it's not your job? Think about what you would do if the positions were reversed next time someone lends you a hand, or maybe you don't get any help because you're a self-important prick.

If management tells me that I have to clean the airplane, then I'd have a problem with that. If I don't have anything else to do but stand there and watch the FA straighten things up, then I'll help, because it's the decent thing to do.

 

[slowto250]

I got a problem with your attitude.

I don't think pilots should be REQUIRED to clean the airplane, but if you're too conceited to lend a hand if you've got nothing else to do, then you're simply a jerk.

If you see someone having trouble negotiating the stairs are you just going to stand there and watch because it's not your job to help them? If someone asks you where their gate is, are you going to blow them off because it's not your job? Think about what you would do if the positions were reversed next time someone lends you a hand, or maybe you don't get any help because you're a self-important prick.

If management tells me that I have to clean the airplane, then I'd have a problem with that. If I don't have anything else to do but stand there and watch the FA straighten things up, then I'll help, because it's the decent thing to do.

Well now, another voice of experience heard from. Just how much transport category / scheduled 121 experience, ya got logged junior ? Care to talk about a subject with which you have some familiarity ?

Last time I checked, flight officers had a few duties prescribed by the FAA and our operations manual, that might just conflict with your rush to earn that boyscout merit badge, or desire to play suzie homemaker.

Why don't you start a new thread called " I'm a desperate sniveling low time dork, who will lick anyones boots who'll let me fly a big shiny jet".

Just the kinda puke I referred to in my previous post.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Well now, another voice of experience heard from. Just how much transport category / scheduled 121 experience, ya got logged junior ? Care to talk about a subject with which you have some familiarity ?

Last time I checked, flight officers had a few duties prescribed by the FAA and our operations manual, that might just conflict with your rush to earn that boyscout merit badge, or desire to play suzie homemaker.

Why don't you start a new thread called " I'm a desperate sniveling low time dork, who will lick anyones boots who'll let me fly a ose big shiny jet".

Just the kinda puke I referred to in my previous post.

Well! I'll bet people fight each other over crewing YOUR flights.
Getting OFF them, I mean.
I hope that when you upgrade, you never speak to your f/os / crews this way. If you do, someday, someone will sit back and watch you f***up bigtime hoping you get your comeuppance, with possibly fatal results for all. And it will be YOUR fault! Very common CRM pitfall. You should consider attending a session. Maybe a remedial session...
This person's comment has nothing to do with how many hours he's sat on his a** in 121 experience. It's about leadership and teamwork and how it's built. I'd bet money you never threw a fallen bag back onto the beltloader during your walkaround, or said hello to a "lowly" fueler. At my previous (ALPA) carrier, nothing was said about crossing belts. Those of that did, when time permitted, enjoyed much better communication and teamwork.
You ever hear that story about "Who's packing YOUR parachute?"

And I'll match your 121 experience any time you want...

 

[slowto250]

Perhaps we flew together, Oldfreightdog. I was the guy in operations checking the weather for my assigned flight.

I think I remember you. Weren't you the janitor, cleverly disguised as a pilot ?

Didn't you read my post, where I said not to give me any of that "teamwork" bullsh!t ? This ain't about CRM. It's about pilots demeaning themselves, all under the pretense of "chipping in". A clever little management ploy that preys on their pitiful desire to remain employed as crewmembers, at any cost. Take a good look at the passengers faces when they realize that the guy in charge of their ultimate safety on the outbound leg, is collecting trash from the seatback pockets.

Have another swig of that Kool-aid they're serving.
You wouldn't be one of those guys that crossed the line at my previous ALPA carrier would ya ?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

And since when is bring coffee to the flight deck part of the flight attendant duties? It isn't at our airline, it's a courtesy that they offer to the flight crew so why can't I offer them the same courtesy and help them out? Am I so high and mighty because I'm wearing a prissy-looking white shirt with stripes on it that I can't help out? Give me a fricking break, why are we making such a big deal about this? We are part of a crew, lets fricking act like it.

Maybe because it isn't the F/As' job to clean the cabin either.
Nothing wrong with picking up the big pieces, but I'll be darned if I'll get on my knees and shovel crumbs. Let me know the next time you see an elite coporate type doing that. I've found using your feet to distribute the crumbs under the seats can make for a quite presentable cabin.

 

[semperfido]

Let me know the next time you see an elite coporate type doing that.

i have been known to occasionally vacuum and most of us wouldn't consider ourselves as elite. see definition.

e·lite or é·lite n. pl. elite or e·lites

1. 1. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
   2. The best or most skilled members of a group: the football team's elite.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

i have been known to occasionally vacuum and most of us wouldn't consider ourselves as elite. see definition.

e·lite or é·lite n. pl. elite or e·lites

1. 1. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
   2. The best or most skilled members of a group: the football team's elite.

The 'elite' in my vocabulary is always tounge-in-cheek. You're obvisouly NOT airline managment. They're a special elite breed.