Airlines where Pilots Clean the Cabin

[TWA Dude]

This is truly a worthless thread. Start-up companies breed a pioneering spirit whereupon all employees try to contribute to its success. I say bravo! There's nothing demeaning about physical labor and nothing wrong with showing pride in one's company. At my first CFI job I had to clean the FBO's crappers. BFD.

 

[bart]

GE Motor boy, what's your beef? Are you worried that your job as an aircraft cleaner is in jeopardy? Or are you a pilot with an ego problem that does not allow being helpful to get in the way of appearing important and better than others? Either way, you must be a real fun guy to be around...

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

The non-classy J/Ser will slink off the airplane and flame the Crew and Airline on Flight Info.com

Then they'll go bone your wife....

 

[GuppyPuppy]

If we have the time to help clean I don't see a problem. It is not a requirement that we help clean the aircraft, just a recommendation and a nice thing to do. It really helps, especially on a quick turn.


Heck, when I was flying a Metro I always went in the back to clean the aircraft on a turn. I generally did this when flying I flew as an F.O. at United too (to the shock of many flight attendants).

If you have the time, what is the big deal?

Cheers!

GP

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Hugh is right about Workmans comp issues. If you help throw bags and then slip on some ice and break your arm, either everybody gets the story straight or you will get a six week UNPAID vacation and some nice medical bills.

I still will help throw bags but I am just very carefull.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Yeah, you are right, obviously nothing has changed. In November I saw it on the Jetblue website. And NOW I SAW IT FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH MY OWN EYES.

"CA1900" you are an as.shole. You would probably enjoy cleaning the cabin like a little bit.ch.

Yeah, you are right, I never believe anything 'til I see it FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH MY OWN EYES. I didn't believe the WTC was gone 'til I went to NYC and saw it wasn't there anymore WITH MY OWN EYES.

Funny how you call CA1900 names when you are stone cold BUSTED. Nice comeback, too... You really showed HIM!

(awaiting witty, insulting rejoinder)

 

[PastFastMover]

JetBlue doesn't put the pilots ahead of anyone else, and rightly so. Yes, our industry has changed, ad so has our profession. /QUOTE]

I have worked for several majors and a startup that became a major. Used to help clean up the cabin on very quick turns at the startup. Didn't have a problem with it. You could do it or not do it depending on your workload.

The notion that pilots and everyone else is on an equal footing is exactly what management wants. Everyone is equal. There is no profession, just equal jobs and everyone is the same. If everyone is the same, pay should be the same. What, you think you should get paid more than that 1 year blue room dumper that is 19 years old? Why, you are all equal. Very bad notion. Oh, wait a moment, management is not equal. Management deserves massive pay, bonuses, guaranteed retirements even in BK that they caused. Hmmmm. I guess eveyone is not equal after all.

The notion that everyone is equal, the industry has changed, and so has the profession is absurd PC BS that allows management to dumb down the profession and gut the pay. If you are willing to accept it, well, enjoy the job. The profession that so many have fought for over the years is slipping away if not already gone. As someone else has said a number of times, this i s not your fathers airline. What complete PC BS to gut the pay.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

The notion that everyone is equal, the industry has changed, and so has the profession is absurd PC BS that allows management to dumb down the profession and gut the pay. If you are willing to accept it, well, enjoy the job. The profession that so many have fought for over the years is slipping away if not already gone.

Standing "O"!

What you do voluntarily today to be a nice guy will be tomorrow's requirement.

 

[Air Biscuit]

PastFast, Excellent post. The industry has changed because pilots have allowed it to. "Yeah I'll do my job for less than that guy" and another comes along and says "I'll do it for even less than him plus I'll clean the cabin." How much more are you guys willing to do to keep your companies in business? Volunteer to come in on your days off and work for free? I'm afraid we aren't going to hit bottom until the pay equals that of a minumum wage job.

 

[N1kawotg]

Yesterday, while I was need deep in preflighting the jet, my capt jumped down and started taking and bringing strollers, helping passangers board, then saw the rampers were swamped, so he ran down and helped throw bags. This was in CLE after arriving 2 minutes late. One of the F/A's asked were he was and I said look outside. She noticed the other co. rampers just watching this whole thing take place. I thought this guy was going to come over and help for us, he seemed impressed. We ended up back on time to MDW. PS- its not just new guys, this one had been with us since late 80's.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

And NOW I SAW IT FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH MY OWN EYES.
"CA1900" you are an xxxxxxxxx. You would probably enjoy cleaning the cabin like a little xxxxxx

Very Nice. You want a job without a team spirit attitude? Go back to school and become a lawyer, MBA, civil servant or some other paper pushing, meeting intensive job. You may get the job but your advancement will cease when you get found out.

Oh wait, you have to pass an interview where you can't swear yourself out of a situation and must exhibit some intelligence. Guys like you get screened out during an effective interview process.

The good news is you can change your attitude now, I suggest you try.

 

[fletch717]

Air Biscuit, Yes the industry has changed. I don't want to clean the cabin, but I will if I don't think it is clean enough. Like I said before my airplane is a reflection of me and my company. I have had the President on my flight before, and I have seen him help clean the airplane after the flight. It's a team effort, I try to lead the team by example. If thats lowering the bar then don't apply for a job here, and you won't have to spend 10 minutes a day doing manual labor for $123.00 an hour.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

PastFast, Excellent post. The industry has changed because pilots have allowed it to. "Yeah I'll do my job for less than that guy" and another comes along and says "I'll do it for even less than him plus I'll clean the cabin." How much more are you guys willing to do to keep your companies in business? Volunteer to come in on your days off and work for free? I'm afraid we aren't going to hit bottom until the pay equals that of a minumum wage job.

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Air Biscuit,

Remind the class that you PFT'd to the tune of about $10,000 for a below minimum wage job some years ago. I'm not the type to jump into these type of frays, but these holier than thou types start to piss me off after a while. You can learn alot about one through their post history.

Those who cast stones should not live in glass houses!!

 

[Realistic]

I think first and foremost, it's nobody's business what we do at jetBlue. When the idea that we should all conform to some code of pay/benefits/output/conduct carrys over to merger's/acquisitions/national seniority/scope then it may actually be reasonable to take a look at what your "brother" is doing. I say that with tons and tons of sarcasm.

That said, I will say that even though I am eager to help when I've done my job up front, it really pisses me off when I get a flight attendant in the door who's tapping her foot and asking us why we're not in the back cleaning yet - as well - when two pilots are zipping about making the cabin beautiful while I wait for them to clear their stuff out of the cockpit. Then when they do, the cockpit is a filthy mess. Part of the quick turn is giving the oncoming crew easy access to a clean cockpit.

The most disturbing thing however, is when a pilot chooses not to clean. I've seen Captains and Flight Attendants give FO's the third degree just because he's made the decision not to clean. In my opinion, this only adds to the sometimes Orwellian atmosphere we have at jetBlue. If an FO doesn't want to clean, that's his business. Maybe he has a bad back. I leave him alone and respect his decision. This "how blue are you?" atmosphere will hurt us in the end.

Realistic

 

[hellas]

Realistic: Im curious, what do you mean by Orwellian atmosphere at JB, Im not a JB employee, just thinking about different careers and I like to here honesty and different perspectives on different companies.