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Lot's of talk about AWAC being the highest CASM. Before we all accept that this is the result of pilot compensation, and allow management another bargaining chip.

1 AWAC flies multiple fleets.............will be down to 1, lower CASM
2 AWAC ground handles all ORD espress ops and alot of DEN
(OK they don't now...but they did when all those CASM #s were posted earlier...do those thousands of employees let go effect CASM)
3 AWAC leases are to high........I think Brazil and Canada about went to war over our great deal from Canada, they can't be that much higher than everyone else's.
4. AWAC employees are to senior...at what point does training costs of 30 per month quiting, balance out a few dollars an hour pay for senior pilots

I think AWAC is in as good of position as anybody. They have seemed to convince everybody that it's the pilots fault.

Just my opinion, of course I could be wrong (stolen from Dennis Miller)
 
logolight said:
Dec 2003 hires will upgrade in Feb 2006. That's 2 years and 2 months. As they continue to upgrade 20 per month on top of 30 per month resigning, upgrade time will remain at about 2 years. That number does not include any possible expantion. Current staffing is only 700 pilots. AWAC is 80 crews short for flying for December. They have now resorted to junior manning FO's now as well as Captains daily to cover trips that have no crews assigned. I suspect it may come to the point where new hires will become line holders right out of training.

I have faxed and emailed my resume into Air Whiskey but no calls yet. Afterall, I am no in the FLYI furloughee fraternity!!!!! Just think, my first fraternity with no hell week or intiaition!!!!! I thought I'd have to learn the Greek alphabet.
 
I am in the Jan. class and do not have much information as far as how many people are in it. I was wondering the same thing.
 
I got a letter asking me to complete my sim eval before the end of the year. When I called and talked to them about having surgery, they said they wanted it done because they were trying to fill January classes.
 
i was told today (by a reliable source) that 30 new hires (2 classes) and 30 upgrades a month are to be expected through march....then maybe a few months off to transition some people....then back to 30 & 30 a month through june......that's what they want to do anyway
 
Does your reliable source actually work in the recruiting department?
 
I just returned from ATW and the director of training among others told us the same info. Two classes a month for awhile (not sure how many per class), transition the rest of the 146 guys over, look at attrition, and continue hiring and running classes as needed. If you get in now you won't sit reserve long. How long the upgrade will be depends on many factors but it's not a bad place to sit as an FO with a bit of seniority.
 
av8er23 said:
Does your reliable source actually work in the recruiting department?

no...but it seems to be pretty common knowledge around the company now that these are the plans
 
Speedtree said:
I just returned from ATW and the director of training among others told us the same info. Two classes a month for awhile (not sure how many per class), transition the rest of the 146 guys over, look at attrition, and continue hiring and running classes as needed. If you get in now you won't sit reserve long. How long the upgrade will be depends on many factors but it's not a bad place to sit as an FO with a bit of seniority.

Sounds good. Sorry for the noob question but what is ATW?
 
I was not trying to be a smartass. There is enough of those on this board already. I did not understand what you were trying to ask?
 
That's right. Two classes per month of at least 15 per class. Either April or May 06 the 146 guys go to CRJ training then new hire classes will resume immediately after until at least Aug 06. Reserve right now is at about 3 months but if attrition continues, new hires will hold a line right out of training. Right now, upgrade time is about 2 years and if there's any growth in the near future, my guess is upgrade time could be as short as 18 months. We'll se what happens though.
 
logolight said:
That's right. Two classes per month of at least 15 per class. Either April or May 06 the 146 guys go to CRJ training then new hire classes will resume immediately after until at least Aug 06. Reserve right now is at about 3 months but if attrition continues, new hires will hold a line right out of training. Right now, upgrade time is about 2 years and if there's any growth in the near future, my guess is upgrade time could be as short as 18 months. We'll se what happens though.

Whoa Nelly, whoa. I started upgrade in early Sept. right at three years, who do you know that's upgrading at about two years, and what are they drinking? NO, upgrade is not about 2 years. Attrition is high yes, but not that high.
 
av8er23 said:
I was not trying to be a smartass. There is enough of those on this board already. I did not understand what you were trying to ask?

On the contrary, I was being the smartass (in a friendly sort of way). Really shouldn't have put a question mark at the end, though.

What I probably should have said was that ATW is the identifier for Appleton, WI, which is the home of Air Wisconsin. :D
 
The guys currently in MEM doing their CPT's are at the 3years and 2 months mark. So I'm not sure how that puts upgrade at 2 years or even how it drops to 2 years in the next 2 months.

The training dept has budgeted for 150 upgrades next year so like everything else in aviation don't start cashing that left seat cheque until you're in it.
 
Crossky said:
Whoa Nelly, whoa. I started upgrade in early Sept. right at three years, who do you know that's upgrading at about two years, and what are they drinking? NO, upgrade is not about 2 years. Attrition is high yes, but not that high.

A previous poster says he's a Sep 03 hire and is 15 away from upgrade. My buddy is Dec 03 hire and he says he's about 40 from upgrade. That puts upgrade time at just over 2 years. I believe that number will drop shortly.

Also remember that AWAC had pilots on furlough from 01 to about 03. (somewhere in there) So you will see that some of the junior captains had longer upgrade times. The new upgrading FO's were hired after the furloughs were called back in 03 so their upgrade times are shorter. That said, if you look at the seniority list, you'll see the discontinuity of hire dates between the Junior captains and the FO's about to upgrade.
 

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