Air Wisconsin

[DiverDriver]

anyone know if AWAC takes or has interns? Thanks

I haven't heard of it happening but you never know. You might send a resume in looking for an internship. They might need help in the training department and they could make you their whipping boy. (just kidding, they're really nice in the training department)


Anyone thinking of coming to AWAC and is worried about going to ORF instead of PHL or vice versa shouldn't worry about it. There is so much movement right now you'll probably get what you want before training ends if not right away. Be prepared for anything but I think you'll get what you want of PHL, DCA, ORF.


Now, anyone else want to discuss the rumor of AWAC dropping 500M on "something" but no one knows what? We're hiring mechanics and flight attendants in PIT and MEM. AWAC has applied for "large carrier" status (I'm told that means more than 100 aircraft) for some time in 2006. Could this mean CRJ 900s are in the future with a PIT or MEM (or both) base?

Not claiming it's true. Just what I've been hearing.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

Now, anyone else want to discuss the rumor of AWAC dropping 500M on "something" but no one knows what? We're hiring mechanics and flight attendants in PIT and MEM. AWAC has applied for "large carrier" status (I'm told that means more than 100 aircraft) for some time in 2006. Could this mean CRJ 900s are in the future with a PIT or MEM (or both) base?

Not claiming it's true. Just what I've been hearing.

I actually heard about this back in April. (from a guy who knows a guy who dates this girl who know this guys who saw Ferris pass out at 31 flavors last night) But I actually did hear about it a while back. Something with the POI and having to jump through some hoops to make the large carrier thing a reality.

 

[joepilot29]

Is AWAC still calling people for interview dates right now or is everything on hiatus until after the holidays? Just curious. Sent my stuff in about 3 weeks ago haven't heard anything as of yet. Is it better to fax or snail mail resumes vs going the email route? Thanks in advance

 

[rightrudder]

Is AWAC still calling people for interview dates right now or is everything on hiatus until after the holidays? Just curious. Sent my stuff in about 3 weeks ago haven't heard anything as of yet. Is it better to fax or snail mail resumes vs going the email route? Thanks in advance

I'm sure they will be hiring plenty of pilots well into next year. 30 pilots quit in November, and i'm sure we're on pace for about as many in DEC. We aren't able to hire enough to keep up with attrition, let alone get properly staffed.

Send your stuff in again, and after the holidays.

 

[Superpilot92]

Why are so many people quiting? Is it because of the new bases? Just curious.

 

[DiverDriver]

Why are so many people quiting? Is it because of the new bases? Just curious.

Many reasons. But schedules have been one of the biggest issues. The crew planning office doesn't seem to want to actually implement the pilots' requests on schedules. But they continue to be "willing to work with the pilots". Yah, right. Proof is in the pudding. It really doesn't have to do with east coast bases (for most). It's the fact that we are gone 6 days to fly 4 which can cause you to spend maybe 24 hours at home per week.If you are east coast or can move to the bases it could be a very good move for you (anyone applying). I think things will get better next year as attrition slows and they actually start to staff properly but until then the jr manning will be out of hand. We are supposed to staff up to around 1,100 pilots (from what I've heard). Right now we are around 940 on the seniority list. The attrition continues and they are trying to bring in about 30 per month.

 

[av8er23]

That is not what I want to hear about commuting. I plan on commuting from Birmingham, Al once I bid a line.

 

[hoover]

Why are so many people quiting? Is it because of the new bases? Just curious.

There are lots of reasons people are quitting. Some are quitting because of the domicle closures and re-alignments. Some are leaving because the 146 is being retired. Some are not making it through training. Some are moving on to bigger and better things. Some are getting out of aviation altogether.

The United-to-USAirways transition has been a tough time for us. But the Three Amigos have done a fantastic job of keeping the airplanes flying and people working. When it is all said and done I think AWAC is going to be a well positioned to take advantage of whatever lies ahead.

It's a good time to apply, especially if you live on the East Coast.

 

[J32driver]

anyone know if AWAC takes or has interns? Thanks

I don't beleive we do. And if your thinking of that as a short cut to a pilot seat, I'd think again. We've had a couple internal hires (scheds and FAs) moved to pilot slots. Some of them haven't made it through training.

Go get your time and do it the right way.

 

[Kaudbron]

I don't beleive we do. And if your thinking of that as a short cut to a pilot seat, I'd think again. We've had a couple internal hires (scheds and FAs) moved to pilot slots. Some of them haven't made it through training.

Go get your time and do it the right way.

yep appreciate that, been instructing, and my butt is fine planted in its skyhawk seat for awhile.

 

[eight8kcabpilot]

Anyone commute from Cincinnati or Indianapolis? If so, how hard is it? Are the loads usually light at either?

 

[wheelsup]

Anyone commute from Cincinnati or Indianapolis? If so, how hard is it? Are the loads usually light at either?

If there's any US Air flights out of there you're all set. Count on a 40% load factor. There's nothing like that warm fuzzy feeling you get about your mainline carrier's viability than having 15 people on a 1.5 hour flight in a 50 seat a/c...

~wheelsup

 

[masedogg19]

i'll be going out of cincy once i'm online.....haven't really checked the express flights but the Delta flights seem to be good so far....i've only gone to ORD, DEN and ATW though...haven't had to head to base yet

 

[wheels1478]

Anyone know how long reserve is right now?

 

[Kenny]

Current upgrades are NOT at 2 years, they're 3rd year FO's. Although with the current numbers going through training by June we'll probably be looking at around 2.5 years but that won't be for long.

 

[logolight]

Dec 2003 hires will upgrade in Feb 2006. That's 2 years and 2 months. As they continue to upgrade 20 per month on top of 30 per month resigning, upgrade time will remain at about 2 years. That number does not include any possible expantion. Current staffing is only 700 pilots. AWAC is 80 crews short for flying for December. They have now resorted to junior manning FO's now as well as Captains daily to cover trips that have no crews assigned. I suspect it may come to the point where new hires will become line holders right out of training.

 

[masedogg19]

Dec 2003 hires will upgrade in Feb 2006. That's 2 years and 2 months. As they continue to upgrade 20 per month on top of 30 per month resigning, upgrade time will remain at about 2 years. That number does not include any possible expantion. Current staffing is only 700 pilots. AWAC is 80 crews short for flying for December. They have now resorted to junior manning FO's now as well as Captains daily to cover trips that have no crews assigned. I suspect it may come to the point where new hires will become line holders right out of training.

i sure hope so....CPT starts tomorrow....we're being told though to expect 3-4 weeks after sim training before OE starts due to the shortage....sounds like another paid vacation for me

 

[avrodriver]

Dec 2003 hires will upgrade in Feb 2006. That's 2 years and 2 months.

Interesting...I was hired well before Dec 03 and I haven't even been awarded the upgrade yet (yes it should be soon though). A handful of the guys from the last award (Feb 03 hires) won't even go to training till Feb and when they do it will be with people with Aug 03 hire dates ( the class that followed the Feb 03 hires)

Not knit picking, just curious why some people are so intent on skewing things. I'd say the "real" picture is still a very good one. No need to embellish it.

 

[logolight]

Interesting...I was hired well before Dec 03 and I haven't even been awarded the upgrade yet (yes it should be soon though). A handful of the guys from the last award (Feb 03 hires) won't even go to training till Feb and when they do it will be with people with Aug 03 hire dates ( the class that followed the Feb 03 hires)

Not knit picking, just curious why some people are so intent on skewing things. I'd say the "real" picture is still a very good one. No need to embellish it.

My buddy was hired Dec. 03 and says he's 40 away from upgrade. He claims around Feb. 06. Not sure why you think I'm deliberately skewing information though.

 

[Speedtree]

I think what he meant to say was Dec of 2002 guys/gals will upgrade in February. That sounds about right to me anyway.

 

[HawkI]

Lot's of talk about AWAC being the highest CASM. Before we all accept that this is the result of pilot compensation, and allow management another bargaining chip.

1 AWAC flies multiple fleets.............will be down to 1, lower CASM
2 AWAC ground handles all ORD espress ops and alot of DEN
(OK they don't now...but they did when all those CASM #s were posted earlier...do those thousands of employees let go effect CASM)
3 AWAC leases are to high........I think Brazil and Canada about went to war over our great deal from Canada, they can't be that much higher than everyone else's.
4. AWAC employees are to senior...at what point does training costs of 30 per month quiting, balance out a few dollars an hour pay for senior pilots

I think AWAC is in as good of position as anybody. They have seemed to convince everybody that it's the pilots fault.

Just my opinion, of course I could be wrong (stolen from Dennis Miller)

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

Dec 2003 hires will upgrade in Feb 2006. That's 2 years and 2 months. As they continue to upgrade 20 per month on top of 30 per month resigning, upgrade time will remain at about 2 years. That number does not include any possible expantion. Current staffing is only 700 pilots. AWAC is 80 crews short for flying for December. They have now resorted to junior manning FO's now as well as Captains daily to cover trips that have no crews assigned. I suspect it may come to the point where new hires will become line holders right out of training.

I have faxed and emailed my resume into Air Whiskey but no calls yet. Afterall, I am no in the FLYI furloughee fraternity!!!!! Just think, my first fraternity with no hell week or intiaition!!!!! I thought I'd have to learn the Greek alphabet.

 

[threegreen77]

I am 15 away from upgrade and i was hired in September of 2003. I know AWAC didn't hire pretty much from Feb 03-August03, so your buddy will be this spring. Also check out the site www.whereisapilot.com . They have a lot of Air Wiskey guys you can contact. Good Luck!

 

[eight8kcabpilot]

Anyone know anything about future classes? Is the January one filled? Do they ever run more than one class per month? etc.

 

[av8er23]

I am in the Jan. class and do not have much information as far as how many people are in it. I was wondering the same thing.

 

[FlyingBuckI]

I got a letter asking me to complete my sim eval before the end of the year. When I called and talked to them about having surgery, they said they wanted it done because they were trying to fill January classes.

 

[masedogg19]

i was told today (by a reliable source) that 30 new hires (2 classes) and 30 upgrades a month are to be expected through march....then maybe a few months off to transition some people....then back to 30 & 30 a month through june......that's what they want to do anyway

 

[av8er23]

Does your reliable source actually work in the recruiting department?

 

[Speedtree]

I just returned from ATW and the director of training among others told us the same info. Two classes a month for awhile (not sure how many per class), transition the rest of the 146 guys over, look at attrition, and continue hiring and running classes as needed. If you get in now you won't sit reserve long. How long the upgrade will be depends on many factors but it's not a bad place to sit as an FO with a bit of seniority.

 

[masedogg19]

Does your reliable source actually work in the recruiting department?

no...but it seems to be pretty common knowledge around the company now that these are the plans