Air Wisconsin

[masedogg19]

im glad we have this break.....gives me time to get everything down solid....and its paid.....no complaints

 

[s.o.sJTB]

I saw some report that had Mesa @ 10.5 cents per seat mile while AWAC, at the current rates, are 15 cents per seat mile, i.e. 50% higher cost than Mesa. Not a good thing when the legacies are trying to cut costs!
~wheelsup

Assuming the RJ costs about $1100 per hr to operate I cant imagine that Mesa could do it for $600 pr hr. Even if Mesa was only 10% cheaper than AWAC that is still a $100 pr hr difference, that is still way more than the difference in crew compensation.

AWAC pilots could almost fly for free and Mesa would still be cheaper, Mesa could almost double there compensation and still be competitive with AWAC. My point is that it is not crew compensation that is the problem, it is the efficienacy of the operation and the way its management decides to do business.

 

[Kenny]

They spent all their liquid cash on securing their spot with US Air when they invested in it, so I don't see much money left over for buying additional aircraft.
~wheelsup

Not sure where you got that little bit of info. Considering how "smart" the 3 Amigos are I'd say they could probably find the money to finance more aircraft. They keep harping on about how 90 seaters are the future and 70 seaters are merely a band-aid for the short term. If we get any new aircraft they are going to be CRJ900's, not only do they save on the training costs but they're not scoped out by the America West guys. I very much doubt EMB's whether they are 170's or not are anywhere in our future.

Hey mayday, thank god you finally got your slot!!!!

 

[wheelsup]

Assuming the RJ costs about $1100 per hr to operate I cant imagine that Mesa could do it for $600 pr hr. Even if Mesa was only 10% cheaper than AWAC that is still a $100 pr hr difference, that is still way more than the difference in crew compensation.

You're right, I had posted this same train of thought a long time ago but people seemed to ignore it. However, pilot pay has to have something to do with it, because it factors into the overall cost structure of the airline. Here is the table:

http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2004/bts035_04/html/bts035_04.html#table_12

Table 12: Airline Domestic Unit Costs (Cents per Mile)

Regionals
Ranked by 3rd Quarter Domestic Unit Costs
(Domestic Operating Expenses per Available Seat Mile in cents)
Excel | CSV
3Q 2004 RankRegional Carriers3rd Quarter 2003 (cents per mile)4th Quarter 2003 (cents per mile)1st Quarter 2004 (cents per mile)2nd Quarter 2004 (cents per mile)3rd Quarter 2004 (cents per mile)3rd Quarter Operating Expenses $(Millions)
Air Wisconsin 13.45 14.65 15.66 15.40 15.45 156.82
American Eagle 15.23 13.50 14.76 14.27 14.21 319.23
Sky West 12.49 12.79 13.19 13.35 13.23 270.34
Express Jet 13.32 12.92 13.40 12.58 12.6 63 12.35
Atlantic Southeast 11.68 11.97 12.15 11.99 12.34 216.16
Comair 10.81 10.88 11.58 11.49 12.23 291.97
Mesa N/A N/A 11.76 10.34 10.87 209.1
Seven Carrier Total N/A N/A 14.69 14.18 14.191,775.9

That table is from 2004. Mesa cost - 10.87 cents - AWAC cost - 15.45 cents per mile. I was thinking that 10/15 was 50% for some reason when I typed it out. MAG's costs are actually about 70% of AWAC's - still pretty significant, IMO.

This is the newest report - for 2Q 2005.
http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2005/bts041_05/html/bts041_05.html

If you bother to read through it, it's pretty interesting. US Air better get in gear with their whopping 15.3 cents/mile costs :crying: ...or I'll be out of a job soon.

~wheelsup

 

[wheelsup]

If we get any new aircraft they are going to be CRJ900's, not only do they save on the training costs but they're not scoped out by the America West guys.!!!!

I think there is some ratio that the AWA pilots agreed to. Something like X amount of 900's for X amount of narrowbodies or something to that affect. It's my understanding that they are limited, however I don't know by how much. I could be wrong though.

~wheelsup

 

[Mongolikecandy]

from day 1 the company treats you like a person, not a servant a la [insert bottom feeder here].

~wheelsup

You must not be one of the poor saps who has been junior manned twice in one sequence. And it isn't just happening to captains.

 

[Boondock Saint]

So is now a good time to try to become a part of the AirWis team?

 

[Mayday911]

Absolutely...I have moved up 164 numbers since 10/03. That is significant since our group has less than 1000 pilots (roughly 830 including management and those on leave). I believe they are planning to hire significant numbers through the first part of next year and the attrition is still higher than they predicted.

 

[Boondock Saint]

What is the junior domicile right now? Norfolk? I noticed on their website it says open positions are DCA and Philly.

Also, with the ownership entanglement with USAir is there no potential for code share with anyone else? (that may be a stupid question lol). Im just curiuos what kind of growth potential AirWis may have.

Thanks for any input.

 

[StarChk20]

Does Air Wis have pref bidding?