Age limitation for 91K

[stingray]

I have 23 yrs before I reach the age of 65,
But If I'm 65 and can still pass a medical and I still have the ability to fly.
I will be fishing, screw the flying as a job "Enjoy Life"


Since you can tell the future, I just wondered where I will be?

This type thread comes up from time to time and you get the same old comments.

When I was your age I had 2 year + tours overseas coming?

Damn! Didn't see that coming?

My plan is to be "wetting worms" at 65 as well. I hope we both make it that far, and, are financially secure enough to carry out our mission!

Good luck to you all.

Take care, Semore

P.S. Just bought a Vette, some guy tried to explain to me which were Stingrays and which weren't.

(Gonna refurb it and try to make a buck or 2 off it)

No I cant predict the future. Hopefully my finances will be where I hope, so I can retire by then. Being in this business that we are, there are so many things we miss in life. Hopefully by then I will be flying piper cubs around to get my flying needs filled "if any are still left". Though I do like my job.

We all have seen and continue to see guys who fly well beyond that age, "That is their choice and it should stay that way". I cant tell anyone whats right for them only they can, but I have met quite a few guys who have a vary substantial retirement in the 7 figures+ 4 to 5 times over and more in some cases and continue to fly past 65. That is their choice.

But for me If I had the funds at 60 these guys have now. I will be fishing or enjoying some other things we can do, that we can'T being on the road for 1/2 the year.

Semore maybe someday we can go fishing. Somehow I think I may know you.

P.S. I already have my vette its sweet. Though the way i got it sucked

 

[ABUSED PILOT]

Flying past 65 is asking for trouble. Its time to give it up and let the next pilot have a chance.

 

[Jack Campbell]

Well said Sir, heres a little more news for the "infinitely wise young".

One does not have to be old to be wise. Likewise, wisdom does not come with age for all. Don't worry, Semore, I'm not referring to you.

Having said that, this new legislation is MUCH more of a threat to ALL of us. Please call your representatives and tell them to stop this over-reaching piece of crap legislation. Good luck getting them to listen.

 

[RossTwivel]

Yea!! minimum age of 45.

 

[ghostrider64]

Probably a minority view but here goes....

NJA is changing over to 121 training. I believe it's only a matter of time before they lobby for a mandatory retirement age that coincides with 121 operations. Age 65

I'm a lot closer to 65 than 35 and I must say that I'm for the mandatory age. It doesn't bode well for us when there are some guys that are getting into cockpits that resemble the walking dead, just because some quack signs off on their medical.

With a mandatory retirement age in hand it would force our NJA Union leadership to fight for a change to the CBA, that would include some type of retirement package. I like the idea of 60% pay for x amount of months based on longevity. Perhaps 1 year of benefits and pay for every 10 years of service.

It would force employees to plan for a finite career. How often do we hear horror stories about guys that can't afford to retire?

Age 65 bring it on. FYI my goal is to be done at 62, but if a package was available to me at 65 I might force myself to go a bit further.

 

[CA1900]

NJA is changing over to 121 training. I believe it's only a matter of time before they lobby for a mandatory retirement age that coincides with 121 operations. Age 65

What does one have to do with the other? Us going to 121-type recurrent training doesn't mean we're going to go with 121 retirement age, any more than we'd go with 121 ETOPS rules or 121 duty and rest rules.

Not debating whether it's a good or bad idea -- just that it's completely unrelated to recurrent training.

 

[gutshotdraw]

What does one have to do with the other? Us going to 121-type recurrent training doesn't mean we're going to go with 121 retirement age, any more than we'd go with 121 ETOPS rules or 121 duty and rest rules.

Not debating whether it's a good or bad idea -- just that it's completely unrelated to recurrent training.

Exactamundo. We've been using the 121 training plan for two years and we still have a bunch of guys over 65 flying for us (even after the early out). It will take a new FAA regulation or Congressional action to change our retirement age policy.

 

[glasspilot]

From my observation something should be done.

Say a guy, great pilot, comes down with Alzheimer's? What's the mechanism to get him out of the cockpit? Medical? Nope...they only check physical health, not mental health. Checkrides? Sounds good but the guy who has it is old and very probably senior with connections. Check airmen might be reluctant to end a guys career. A guy who they themselves hold in high regard.

Set an age, make it reasonable, adjust the pay and retirement, and stop bitchin.

The above is just an opinion. It's mine and to argue with it marks you as a person with Alzheimer's.

 

[ghostrider64]

What does one have to do with the other? Us going to 121-type recurrent training doesn't mean we're going to go with 121 retirement age, any more than we'd go with 121 ETOPS rules or 121 duty and rest rules.

Not debating whether it's a good or bad idea -- just that it's completely unrelated to recurrent training.

Actually all you need do is follow the M&Ms.

If you think the early outs were designed to save jobs I have some land on the moon I would love to sell you. It was about MANAGEMENTS concern about the age of some guys that seemed as though they would never leave. It was an OPPORTUNITY to rid themselves of some older guys.

Management is extremely concerned with older guys. Now it would be ILLEGAL to force people out but the writing is on the wall. Honestly they have a valid concern.

We've all flown with guys that fail to realize their performance is no longer what it was. With the on demand nature of our business, the rest cycles alone are brutal. I'm not there yet but each year it becomes physically more difficult to recover from screwed up sleep cycles. What I find scary is those that are oldest I fly with, are the last ones to admit they are exhausted. Can anyone explain that phenomena to me? I sum it up as they feel that it would be a mark against their age if they began calling in fatigued.

It wont happen soon but the day will come when you have a finite career in the Professional world and with good reason. Sleeping across the entire country, failing to preflight, extremely poor vision at night have been some of the latest issues that have been brought to light on some of our senior citizen pilots. Fortunately for them the Union is so strong that nothing can be done.

It's too bad that peers have to make decisions for a few of their own. I've called in fatigued when guys I was flying with refused to. I drew the line and said "I" was fatigued. Funny even after I did they refused to admit they were tired.

What this means to me is I will pull the plug myself when the time comes. I wouldn't appreciate being around one day longer than my peers thought I should. I left the military for that exact reason. I knew when I was done and no longer able to perform to the standards I had always set.... Glad I didn't wait for someone else to make the decision for me.

 

[rettofly]

From my observation something should be done. Say a guy, great pilot, comes down with Alzheimer's? What's the mechanism to get him out of the cockpit? Medical? Nope...they only check physical health, not mental health. QUOTE]

Guess I'll have to cop to Alzheimer's. Nah......

Alzheimer's is a neurological syndrome, not a mental health issue.

The "quack" that does my FAA medical exams actually tests for neurological impairment. The markers that point toward Alzheimer's ctually show up long before the commonly accepted symptoms and eventual impairment.

 

[glasspilot]

How does he test for neurological impairment? Is he required to or is that just "his deal". I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever been checked unless it's just done through casual conversation. Does it start at a certain age?

Truly curious...

 

[BushwickBill]

We should all be careful what we ask for. You never know you may need to work when you are over 65 and flying may be the only way to not have to work until your 85. I just turned 32 today. Retirement is a strange thing to consider. If things continue economically most likely I will never be able to retire.

In other words don't stomp on your own dick.

 

[BushwickBill]

Been following this string with lots of amusement.

Pontificating punks need to get a clue! Someday you will be looking at this from the other side.

Age is what the body tells the mind. I've decided that 68 is enough after lots of years living out of a suitcase 24 weeks a year. Am I going to miss the flying? You bet. Am I going to miss the airlining, the second-guessing and the checkrides? Nope. Can I still pass a Class I medical? You bet.

I'm lucky. Got a supportive spouse (43 years) who has been encouraging me to follow my dream and a bunch of grandkids who haven't seen enough of me. Of course, that's only my opinion.

It's time to move on and let someone younger than me look to the left for advice and see his reflection in the side window.

Three more months and I'm done. Good luck and beaucoup tailwinds to all.

The last of a dying breed I'm afraid. Congrats! Fair winds to you as well sir!

 

[ArtVandalay]

Fortunately, Flex just lost an elderly pilot because they finally realized he was an idiot that didn't need to be flying, or anything else except playing chess. My point is that some guys just don't know when to turn it in, like this moron I speak of, and nothing anyone can say to them will make a difference so, making it mandatory is the only way to go. I'm so sick of hearing the complaints about not being able to retire financially. If you're 70 years old and are having to work because you didn't prepare for your retirement, you're an idiot. How many layoffs and bankruptcies in this industry over the last 50 years will it take to teach someone to get some freakin financial education?

 

[Mike Jenvey]

<<<< I'm so sick of hearing the complaints about not being able to retire financially. If you're 70 years old and are having to work because you didn't prepare for your retirement, you're an idiot. >>>>

There are those pilots who had little or no say in the matter - can I give you my ex-wife's details....??? That little break-up set me back maybe 10 - 15 years on the property ladder - & as for being able to add anything to any retirement fund, ha bl**dy ha!! And my kids from my second marriage aren't in college yet.......

Scatter-gun away at those who blew their 401k on the 5 condo apartments (for different mistresses? ) & speedboats, but please be a little more gentle on those who might have had no choice!

 

[av8trinabarrel]

<<<< I'm so sick of hearing the complaints about not being able to retire financially. If you're 70 years old and are having to work because you didn't prepare for your retirement, you're an idiot. >>>>

There are those pilots who had little or no say in the matter - can I give you my ex-wife's details....??? That little break-up set me back maybe 10 - 15 years on the property ladder - & as for being able to add anything to any retirement fund, ha bl**dy ha!! And my kids from my second marriage aren't in college yet.......

Scatter-gun away at those who blew their 401k on the 5 condo apartments (for different mistresses? ) & speedboats, but please be a little more gentle on those who might have had no choice!

I think we all know the routine by now....marriages and financial responsibility are a pilots worst enemy. I would be willing to bet that most of the pilots working LONG past their prime are doing so because of a failed marriage, and not just financial stupidity. Your arguement doesnt hold water. I do feel bad for your situation, along with the other thousands and thousands of pilots in your boat. Unfortunately for me and everyone else sitting on the streets, we will be waiting a LONG LONG time for guys like you to clean up your mess before we can get back to work.


I know this because my father is retired original PSA and is still happily married....Half of his friends are just like you. They married the strippers, and the yacht club tramps etc etc...Not trying to piss on your parade or say you married a tramp, but your arguement is weak at best.

Please tell me you are not divorced from the second wife!


Member of the 495 support group!!

 

[Semore Butts]

Thats not gonna happen to any of these young guys Mike.

Mike said;

Scatter-gun away at those who blew their 401k on the 5 condo apartments (for different mistresses? ) & speedboats, but please be a little more gentle on those who might have had no choice!

For Art;

2 guys from Flex, both retired American 767 check airman.

One, lets call him "Wick", married 43 years, lots of money in the bank, did it because he always had. Great guy to fly with.

The other, Lets call him Joe, married like 4 times, all to flight attendants, worked cause he had too.

I'm sure Joe and you thought that their life would be like "Wicks". Didn't turn out that way though did it?

Jenvey, knowing you were gonna be divorced when you got married you should have planned better.

What? You didn't know?........Interesting...........

 

[fischman]

Actually all you need do is follow the M&Ms.

If you think the early outs were designed to save jobs I have some land on the moon I would love to sell you. It was about MANAGEMENTS concern about the age of some guys that seemed as though they would never leave. It was an OPPORTUNITY to rid themselves of some older guys.
.

I disagree with you on that one. If management was REALLY that concerned about older pilots, why was there not an age cap on it? There were several of our guys under 40 who took the early out for the money. The intent for NetJets and NJASAP was to save jobs, and it worked for about 6 months like all concessions (voluntary or not).

How much for the moon?

 

[Mike Jenvey]

Gotta love the sympathetic feedback on here!

You guys must be professional counsellors on your days off!

<<<< Please tell me you are not divorced from the second wife! >>>>

Can't afford to - not that I would want to of course!
[I don't think Mrs J reads on here, but you can never be too careful!]

<<<< Jenvey, knowing you were gonna be divorced when you got married you should have planned better. >>>>

It's that 20/20 relationship hindsight deal, never saw the insurance cover for that one though!

 

[rettofly]

How does he test for neurological impairment? Is he required to or is that just "his deal". I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever been checked unless it's just done through casual conversation. Does it start at a certain age?

Truly curious...

Not that big a deal. It's basically an expanded field sobriety test.
Close your eyes, stretch out tour arms and touch the tip of your nose with each index finger.
Stand with feet together, eyes closed and arms outstretched for 15 seconds.
Take 50 steps in place with eyes closed and arms outstretched.

My AME is a former USAF flight surgeon. He's been doing this for the 12 years I've been going to him.