Age limitation for 91K

[glasspilot]

How does he test for neurological impairment? Is he required to or is that just "his deal". I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever been checked unless it's just done through casual conversation. Does it start at a certain age?

Truly curious...

 

[BushwickBill]

We should all be careful what we ask for. You never know you may need to work when you are over 65 and flying may be the only way to not have to work until your 85. I just turned 32 today. Retirement is a strange thing to consider. If things continue economically most likely I will never be able to retire.

In other words don't stomp on your own dick.

 

[BushwickBill]

Been following this string with lots of amusement.

Pontificating punks need to get a clue! Someday you will be looking at this from the other side.

Age is what the body tells the mind. I've decided that 68 is enough after lots of years living out of a suitcase 24 weeks a year. Am I going to miss the flying? You bet. Am I going to miss the airlining, the second-guessing and the checkrides? Nope. Can I still pass a Class I medical? You bet.

I'm lucky. Got a supportive spouse (43 years) who has been encouraging me to follow my dream and a bunch of grandkids who haven't seen enough of me. Of course, that's only my opinion.

It's time to move on and let someone younger than me look to the left for advice and see his reflection in the side window.

Three more months and I'm done. Good luck and beaucoup tailwinds to all.

The last of a dying breed I'm afraid. Congrats! Fair winds to you as well sir!

 

[ArtVandalay]

Fortunately, Flex just lost an elderly pilot because they finally realized he was an idiot that didn't need to be flying, or anything else except playing chess. My point is that some guys just don't know when to turn it in, like this moron I speak of, and nothing anyone can say to them will make a difference so, making it mandatory is the only way to go. I'm so sick of hearing the complaints about not being able to retire financially. If you're 70 years old and are having to work because you didn't prepare for your retirement, you're an idiot. How many layoffs and bankruptcies in this industry over the last 50 years will it take to teach someone to get some freakin financial education?

 

[Mike Jenvey]

<<<< I'm so sick of hearing the complaints about not being able to retire financially. If you're 70 years old and are having to work because you didn't prepare for your retirement, you're an idiot. >>>>

There are those pilots who had little or no say in the matter - can I give you my ex-wife's details....??? That little break-up set me back maybe 10 - 15 years on the property ladder - & as for being able to add anything to any retirement fund, ha bl**dy ha!! And my kids from my second marriage aren't in college yet.......

Scatter-gun away at those who blew their 401k on the 5 condo apartments (for different mistresses? ) & speedboats, but please be a little more gentle on those who might have had no choice!

 

[av8trinabarrel]

<<<< I'm so sick of hearing the complaints about not being able to retire financially. If you're 70 years old and are having to work because you didn't prepare for your retirement, you're an idiot. >>>>

There are those pilots who had little or no say in the matter - can I give you my ex-wife's details....??? That little break-up set me back maybe 10 - 15 years on the property ladder - & as for being able to add anything to any retirement fund, ha bl**dy ha!! And my kids from my second marriage aren't in college yet.......

Scatter-gun away at those who blew their 401k on the 5 condo apartments (for different mistresses? ) & speedboats, but please be a little more gentle on those who might have had no choice!

I think we all know the routine by now....marriages and financial responsibility are a pilots worst enemy. I would be willing to bet that most of the pilots working LONG past their prime are doing so because of a failed marriage, and not just financial stupidity. Your arguement doesnt hold water. I do feel bad for your situation, along with the other thousands and thousands of pilots in your boat. Unfortunately for me and everyone else sitting on the streets, we will be waiting a LONG LONG time for guys like you to clean up your mess before we can get back to work.


I know this because my father is retired original PSA and is still happily married....Half of his friends are just like you. They married the strippers, and the yacht club tramps etc etc...Not trying to piss on your parade or say you married a tramp, but your arguement is weak at best.

Please tell me you are not divorced from the second wife!


Member of the 495 support group!!

 

[Semore Butts]

Thats not gonna happen to any of these young guys Mike.

Mike said;

Scatter-gun away at those who blew their 401k on the 5 condo apartments (for different mistresses? ) & speedboats, but please be a little more gentle on those who might have had no choice!

For Art;

2 guys from Flex, both retired American 767 check airman.

One, lets call him "Wick", married 43 years, lots of money in the bank, did it because he always had. Great guy to fly with.

The other, Lets call him Joe, married like 4 times, all to flight attendants, worked cause he had too.

I'm sure Joe and you thought that their life would be like "Wicks". Didn't turn out that way though did it?

Jenvey, knowing you were gonna be divorced when you got married you should have planned better.

What? You didn't know?........Interesting...........

 

[fischman]

Actually all you need do is follow the M&Ms.

If you think the early outs were designed to save jobs I have some land on the moon I would love to sell you. It was about MANAGEMENTS concern about the age of some guys that seemed as though they would never leave. It was an OPPORTUNITY to rid themselves of some older guys.
.

I disagree with you on that one. If management was REALLY that concerned about older pilots, why was there not an age cap on it? There were several of our guys under 40 who took the early out for the money. The intent for NetJets and NJASAP was to save jobs, and it worked for about 6 months like all concessions (voluntary or not).

How much for the moon?

 

[Mike Jenvey]

Gotta love the sympathetic feedback on here!

You guys must be professional counsellors on your days off!

<<<< Please tell me you are not divorced from the second wife! >>>>

Can't afford to - not that I would want to of course!
[I don't think Mrs J reads on here, but you can never be too careful!]

<<<< Jenvey, knowing you were gonna be divorced when you got married you should have planned better. >>>>

It's that 20/20 relationship hindsight deal, never saw the insurance cover for that one though!

 

[rettofly]

How does he test for neurological impairment? Is he required to or is that just "his deal". I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever been checked unless it's just done through casual conversation. Does it start at a certain age?

Truly curious...

Not that big a deal. It's basically an expanded field sobriety test.
Close your eyes, stretch out tour arms and touch the tip of your nose with each index finger.
Stand with feet together, eyes closed and arms outstretched for 15 seconds.
Take 50 steps in place with eyes closed and arms outstretched.

My AME is a former USAF flight surgeon. He's been doing this for the 12 years I've been going to him.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Here is the major problem I have with this argument. I see the guys bitching about needing to work past 65 because of financial problems ect. At no point is the basic factor of being fit to fly at the focus of this. Its all about earning enough money, which there never seems to be an adequate amount.

All standards have to be set for the average person. Sure some are just as good at 30 as they are at 80. Some are crappy at 20 and never get any better. However Its still a jet/turbo prop and it still can kill someone in the air and on the ground. There needs to be cutoff just like 121.

Anyone that thinks its ok for someone over 65 to be flying with another over 60 or single pilot is smoke'n some good stuff.

 

[jppt2000]

How does he test for neurological impairment? Is he required to or is that just "his deal". I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever been checked unless it's just done through casual conversation. Does it start at a certain age?

Truly curious...

Not that big a deal. It's basically an expanded field sobriety test.
Close your eyes, stretch out tour arms and touch the tip of your nose with each index finger.
Stand with feet together, eyes closed and arms outstretched for 15 seconds.
Take 50 steps in place with eyes closed and arms outstretched.

My AME is a former USAF flight surgeon. He's been doing this for the 12 years I've been going to him.

This appears like a vestibular system check, I don't see the connection with cognitive processes.

 

[tomgoodman]

Brain function test

Doctor: "We'll now check your cognitive process for signs of mental impairment. Hop on one foot, wave your arms, and whistle 'Dixie'."

Pilot: "That's absurd, and I refuse to do it!"

Doctor: "Good. You passed."

 

[ArtVandalay]

My point is called self-control, not "i had 3 ex-wives...". The problem is when you're an F/O making $50k-$65K, which is fairly good money, and you upgrade to captain making $100k+, don't go out and buy a bmw 650 convertible with the extra money you make. These are the morons I speak of and, the old guy that "left" flex lived on the beach in PBI, had a 45 foot sailboat, etc...

My point is, have some control and set limits and be smart. If you already had 2 wives, then it might be time to open a bank account in grand cayman before you marry the future ex #3. Again, these are the idiots I speak of and, flexjet is FULL OF THEM.

 

[jetmaster727]

My point is called self-control, not "i had 3 ex-wives...". The problem is when you're an F/O making $50k-$65K, which is fairly good money, and you upgrade to captain making $100k+, don't go out and buy a bmw 650 convertible with the extra money you make. These are the morons I speak of and, the old guy that "left" flex lived on the beach in PBI, had a 45 foot sailboat, etc...

My point is, have some control and set limits and be smart. If you already had 2 wives, then it might be time to open a bank account in grand cayman before you marry the future ex #3. Again, these are the idiots I speak of and, flexjet is FULL OF THEM.

Yo Art, ease up a little on the more mature guys as a group. I agree with you this particular guy was way over the hill at 70+. He had lost it. But there are lots of "older guys", fiftys and sixtys, who are still way sharp. Remember you can't teach experience and judgement. Some of the "young" captains are seriously lacking in those areas.

 

[rettofly]

This appears like a vestibular system check, I don't see the connection with cognitive processes.

I'm no expert, but I'm told by several medical practitioners that a decline in the vestibular functions, as demonstrated by declining ability in performing these "tests", is a fairly reliable marker for the onset of neurological problems.

 

[jppt2000]

This appears like a vestibular system check, I don't see the connection with cognitive processes.

I'm no expert, but I'm told by several medical practitioners that a decline in the vestibular functions, as demonstrated by declining ability in performing these "tests", is a fairly reliable marker for the onset of neurological problems.

Yup, no expert for sure.
IMHO there would be a problem with designing a test with the appropriate level of sensitivity.
It appears from many of the posts in this thread, are inspired specifically by greed.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Yo Art, ease up a little on the more mature guys as a group. I agree with you this particular guy was way over the hill at 70+. He had lost it. But there are lots of "older guys", fiftys and sixtys, who are still way sharp. Remember you can't teach experience and judgement. Some of the "young" captains are seriously lacking in those areas.

I won't argue with you there, I'm talking about the 70+ crowd and those late 60's guys that can't even lift bags because of arthritis.

 

[Jack Campbell]

It appears from many of the posts in this thread, are inspired specifically by greed.

Are you referring to the greed of pilots who are flying when they should be retired? (I am referring to those that are 65+ and are past their prime.) Or are younger guys the only ones who are greedy?

Airlines have to retire at 65. Why have a separate set of regs for non-airline pilots? BS. Save money while you are working. Enjoy flying until you can't, then retire. Don't fly past your prime. That's what this discussion is really about.

 

[jppt2000]

Are you referring to the greed of pilots who are flying when they should be retired? (I am referring to those that are 65+ and are past their prime.) Or are younger guys the only ones who are greedy?

Airlines have to retire at 65. Why have a separate set of regs for non-airline pilots? BS. Save money while you are working. Enjoy flying until you can't, then retire. Don't fly past your prime. That's what this discussion is really about.

IMO there are no "tests" that exist that are sensitive enough to define "past prime".
Except for the ones that that the pious and greedy, make up on anonymous internet message boards.

Why not go up and say this to the individuals you single out as flying past their prime?
Folks need your job too.

 

[Mike Jenvey]

<<<< IMO there are no "tests" that exist that are sensitive enough to define "past prime". >>>>

Perhaps repetitive use of words in forum posts is a symptom??? :laugh:

<<<< Except for the ones that that the pious and greedy, >>>>

 

[Dooker]

If they really wanted to, they could implement a fairly accurate and cheap test of cognitive ability.

Just toss one of the gummers an iPhone and tell him he has five minutes to dial his home number. If five minutes elapse without him successfuly placing the call, yank his first class. Problem solved.

 

[CA1900]

Hahahahaha....

 

[gutshotdraw]

What's an iphone?

 

[Mike Jenvey]

<<<< What's an iphone? >>>>

It's a slightly more modern version of a gramophone - one plays one's music collection when desired & converses with gentlemen such as Mr Marconi as if by magic - at a distance through thin air, would you believe!! Can't see it catching on though!

 

[jppt2000]

<<<< IMO there are no "tests" that exist that are sensitive enough to define "past prime". >>>>

Perhaps repetitive use of words in forum posts is a symptom??? :laugh:

<<<< Except for the ones that that the pious and greedy, >>>>

Oh yeah, got me there!
German shepherd (let's play) induced keyboard error.
People in glasss houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I won't argue with you there, I'm talking about the 70+ crowd and those late 60's guys that can't even lift bags because of arthritis.

Those pilots and the pretty boys with gay tendencies that don't want to ruffle their smooth skin or break a nail. Those guys are just as bad.

Mr. I.

 

[fischman]

Hey!!!!!!

 

[notapilot]

I'm with CoCo.

 

[bizjet800]

Never trust anyone over 30!