Aeronautical Pet Peeves

[mattfish42]

FBO security trolls who insist on x-raying my tool bag. Just what do you think you're going to detect in the middle of 50 pounds of steel?

FBO security trolls who freak out about my 2.5" pocketknife, but not the aforementioned tool bag. Which one do you think is more dangerous?

FBO security trolls who get upset when I decide to just walk away from the argument and drive the van onto the field.

 

[migio]

So many of you who think your shiit dont stink!!!

 

[flyboycpa]

Those that call up clearance saying, "So-and-so Clearance, Citation xxxDA, INSTRUMENTS to O'Hare, information Whiskey." Whassup w/ that??

The previously-mentioned pilot call of "clearance on request"

The strobe light thing I'm not worried about in the VFR daytime, as some older aircraft (mine included) have only strobes as a means for anti-collision (versus having a red rotating beacon) and the regs say that they should be on (to the best of my memory). Besides, even though I don't do it on the Beechjet, the recent FAA recommendation is that anytime the engine is running (taxi, takeoff, through-flight, landing, taxi) the strobes should be on unless deemed a hazard to other aircraft.

Corporate pilots that can't do a pattern at a non-towered airport, and get ill because "little" airplanes are flying there. Get over it!

I'm sure I'll think of more as time passes,

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[dash8driver]

mechanics who wont bother to try to troubleshoot an intermittent problem because its working when they get to the plane.

mechs who try to coax a broken item to work when they should just fix it. example: they flip a switch off and on repeatedly until it works, then clear the write up as "working" or "could not duplicate".

 

[FN FAL]

So many of you who think your shiit dont stink!!!

Actually, mine is the stinkiest.

 

[Vector4fun]

re the 100 kt ILS in a C-172, well, that's about all an older C172 will do at cruise rpm. As a controller, I can deal with that so long as it's not a busy period. I'm more irritated by the Cessna doing 70 kts with 20 deg flaps from 4 miles out on a sunny afternoon! Then this same guy flies the VASI to flare, floats another 1500' with power to "grease it on", and takes another 2000' to exit the runway. So he takes 5000' of runway to turn off.

Guys who ask for touch and goes at 4 pm on Friday. Are you out of your mind? The final is 20 mi long, and you're number 8. File a flight plan....

Anybody that whines about flying the DP or STAR. 95% of the time, it's a GA pilot. Hey, take your Bonanza VFR in/out of one of the satellite fields. Fuel's cheaper, and I don't have to talk to you at all. This is the same as the guy who says; "Departure, Centurion XXX is leaving fifteen hundred for four, and we'd like direct to......" Dude, you haven't been on freq for 10 seconds, you have no idea how busy I am, and no, I can't ignore the LOAs and route you through the STAR opposite direction.

Anybody who announces ready for TO, then takes 30 seconds to line up, set the DG & clock, fold the chart, file the checklist, and kiss St. Christopher. Meanwhile, that jet that was on a 4 mile final is now on a 2 mile final and doing S turns.

There's 3 guys holding for a satellite field, plus one waiting for release; no, you may not do the published miss back to the FAF to hold for 15 minutes. You're last.

Also, guys who won't use the RCO freq to cancel clearing the runway.

Stuck mikes.

Anybody who doesn't listen to the freq unless their call sign preceeds the transmission. That's always a problem whether it's a busy Tower freq or unicom at an uncontrolled field. You could learn a lot from saying nothing....

 

[polysciguy9]

I'm ponying up to my ignorance here, but what is the proper call when switching controllers ... I'm one of the people who's been saying "Tampa approach, Cessna 1234X with you at 3000" Until this thread, I never knew I was in the wrong. Do I just cut out the "with you"?

 

[1973Arrow]

I'm ponying up to my ignorance here, but what is the proper call when switching controllers ... I'm one of the people who's been saying "Tampa approach, Cessna 1234X with you at 3000" Until this thread, I never knew I was in the wrong. Do I just cut out the "with you"?

Yep...
If you wern't with them, then who are you with.

 

[rubicon789]

Pilots asking to deviate for weather when it is only rain. I mean come on you corp punks it will save you some time cleaning the bugs of those pretty slats. I can see if it is a convective cell or something but other then that just FLY and shut up.

I feel better now!!!

 

[JimG]

Pilots asking to deviate for weather when it is only rain. I mean come on you corp punks it will save you some time cleaning the bugs of those pretty slats. I can see if it is a convective cell or something but other then that just FLY and shut up.

I feel better now!!!

I'm one of those.

If it's green on the screen (downlink wx)....

It could be mean.

I don't mind a little rain, but if it's showing up on the Avidyne...that information maybe a few minutes old and I'm not sure exactly what's in it NOW.

 

[Fly_Chick]

I'm ponying up to my ignorance here, but what is the proper call when switching controllers ... I'm one of the people who's been saying "Tampa approach, Cessna 1234X with you at 3000" Until this thread, I never knew I was in the wrong. Do I just cut out the "with you"?

Yes, it is sufficient to check in with "Tampa approach, Cessna 1234X, 3000'".

 

[avbug]

"Could Not Duplicate" as a way of clearing any maintenance writeup.

Mechanics who aren't. Since when did we become a community of parts-changers, rather than airplane fixers?

Anybody who doesn't believe in craftsmanship? Whatever happened to pride in one's work, and living behind one's signature?

People who can't seal a deal with a handshake, and mean it.

Politics.

My ex mother-in-law. Okay, she's not in aviation (unless I get lucky enough to find her on my flight one day, and then she'll be in free fall), but she's still a pet peeve. A big, ugly one. With one eye.

Anybody who strikes children. One of these days I'm going to be in an FBO or terminal somewhere, and someone is going to strike their child in front of me, and they'll be hauling me out in cuffs and that person on a gurney.

Thunderstorms that follow me around when I'm working in the hills. What's the deal?

People who think it's cute to say "why jump out of a perfectly good airplane?"

Jumpers who do hook turns.

Pilots who taxi too fast.

Helicopter pilots who think it's okay to air taxi, hover, or overfly my aircraft on the ground, or land too close.

Chief Pilots who call to put pressure on to take a flight with known mechanical discrepancies or bad weather.

Operators that falsify maintenance.

FAA inspectors who haven't taken their meds.

Incompetence.

Pilots in FBO's who are so above other pilots that they won't dignify them with a reply...I used to get a real kick out of taxiing in a Lear 35, and finding that the GIV driver wouldn't lower himself to speak to me.

Pilots who use their radio to spot traffic. You know who you are.

Arriving at the perfect drop point and discovering a failed to arm the system.

Stalling due to windshear and rotors on a tight base to final to drop downwind.

Spending 45 minutes trying to get my legs to bend enough to climb out of the cockpit at the end of the day and then listening to some near-retirement yahoo talk about how he'd like to do it for fun, in two years.

The Phillips Head screw.

People who release copious quantities of gaseous semi-digested chilly in an enclosed airplane packed with skydivers on a long ride to altitude on a hot day. Whomever says that capitol punishment is not justified as never been there.

People who overtorque the Phillips Head Screw.

Cheap tools, and people who use them.

A life so boring that the biggest worry is how other people talk or don't talk on the radio.

Extreme turbulence.

Stuck altimeters in free fall.

Unions.

People who overtorqued the phillips head screw ten years ago without any antisieze, and all the people who haven't touched it in the intervening years...until now.

Anybody who says, "That's good enough."

Pilots who invent proceedures...every year I run into a few. The ones that are flying a type that's been around for donkey's years, but think that somehow they know more than anybody else...here, try this, I'll show you a little secret...how come nobody else knows, teaches, or tries this "little secret?"

Cracked wings.

Corrosion.

Speculation.

Ground troops that insist on standing too close to a drop and then whine about getting hit.

Government lunch on a quick turn. I'm thankful for the effort, but what mind conceived the idea that someone flying in severe turbulence in a high workload cockpit with both hands already full would like to try to eat a four inch thick sandwich full of sauce, all the vegetables some liberal Republik could hope to offer, and half-cooked bacon, being held together by a single toothpick with a little frilly plastic yellow thing on the end?

White shirts around airplanes.

Pilots who really don't believe that navigation is possible without GPS.

The use of the phrase "any inbound traffic, please advise."

That's a few to start. I'll think of more when I'm awake.

 

[logolight]

People who don't know how to use the "kick out" method when landing in a crosswind.

 

[Pedro]

Mechanics who aren't. Since when did we become a community of parts-changers, rather than airplane fixers?

Hey Avbug, I did this for a year, would have loved to get my A&P but didn't have $$ and after a year couldn't stand my boss and couldn't make a living working fir him anymore (Full time "part changer" and full time CFI).

 

[Sniper Bob]

Multithousand hour pilots who NEVER advise ATC of having the atis on initial call ups and always have to respond to atc that they do indeed have the atis. And they keep doing it.

80% of the time:

Me: Regional Approach, Golden Eagle XXXXX, out of 7 thousand 6 hundred for 4 thousand, information whiskey.

Approach: Golden Eagle XXXXX, roger.


4 seconds pass

Approach: Golden Eagle XXXXX, confirm you have information whiskey.

Me: Affrimative, information whiskey.

I'm sure ATC's busy and thinking about other things, but they seem to most of the time miss that I already tell them what ATIS I have. I think I'll start saying "Automated Terminal Information Service Whiskey". I'll see how that flies.

 

[The_Russian]

Multithousand hour pilots who NEVER advise ATC of having the atis on initial call ups and always have to respond to atc that they do indeed have the atis. And they keep doing it.

During a seven leg day, you sometimes forget.

My peeves:

135 pilots in the Out Islands that dont follo AIM procedures for pattern flying.

People who dont talk on the radio enough at uncontrolled fields. No you dont need to have a radio installed but I know you do!

People who think if you fly on your days off for fun you are a dork.

People who fly airplanes for a living and dont have any interest in airplanes.

People who came into this business to make a lot of money.

People who get sick in airplanes.

People who can't or won't or have never done aerobatics.

(Notice I call them people not pilots.)

Pilots who think they came into this whole thing "the right way".

Pilots who start fights with other pilots because who they work for.

Pilots who biatch about their union job but dont come to meetings or grieve thing.

Salaies.

No respect for contracts.

Pilots who think NDBs are for idiots. The truth is you are the idiot who doesnt know how to use the NDB.

Management that doesnt want to run an airline. They think they are running a Walmart. Slashing prices like that stupid yellow dot thing.

Women in aviation who are proud of being a woman in aviation.

Gay pilots who come to work with makeup on and think its ok.

Understaffing for cost savings.

The cost of cable TV.

Gas prices.

Ramp agents at FBOs who hate pilots.

FBOs who treat pilots like crap.

Pilots who use Signature.

Pilots who use max power all the time. Try doing that in your car. I bet you wouldnt want to hurt YOUR baby.

People who should not be allowed to pass a 441 but they let them anyway.

People who fail upgrade or training. No excuse, you are a professional.

People who have flown only: 152/172, PA44, CRJ. Real experience you have there Bob.

Airport "neigbors". Idiots. You knew it was there.

FAA hour requirements for 135. Much to high. Need to be category/class specific.

HGTV, Oxygen, Lifetime, HSN, etc.

Vanity. (yeah im ugly)

Real estate prices in South Florida.

People who dont know anything about how money works. Then they complain they have no money.

Muslim Extremists.

Bahamian ATC.

Pilots who dont like to have fun at work.

Going out fishing all day and catching nothin!

My pizza just got here after a darn hour fifteen so I am dont biatching. Hope I didnt offend anyone.

CYA!!!

 

[Mr Wu]

A$$holes that fart in the cockpit and then say "Sorry, I didn't think that would stink."

IT CAME FROM WHERE YOU STORE YOUR SH!T!!!!! WHAT MADE YOU THINK IT WOULDN'T SMELL.

 

[CA1900]

The biyatch who got off our plane yesterday in Islip. I hope she's reading this, because I came close to tripping her, just to watch her fall down the stairs into the puddles.

To put it in context, here are a few of yesterday's METARs for KISP around the time we got there:

KISP 121914Z 05015G24KT 1/2SM +RA FG FEW007 BKN012 OVC018 14/13 A3007 RMK AO2 PK WND 05029/1859 P0018 RVRNO

KISP 121956Z 05022G34KT 3SM -RA BR BKN008 BKN012 OVC020 14/13 A3008 RMK AO2 PK WND 06034/1951 SLP185 P0031 T01390133


Sheets of rain blowing across the runway. It looked like a bloody hurricane coming across the airport, with about two inches of standing water on the ramp. The approach was bumpy (duh), but I made a nice touchdown in spite of it.

And you know what this B**CH says to me when she gets off?

"It's a good thing you don't work for tips, because I would not be tipping you for that landing."

"F--- Off." No, I didn't say it, but I wanted to SO badly. :uzi: It would have been worth a few days off of work!

Fine, lady. Next time it rains, I'll divert to Poughkeepsie and you can take a three hour cab ride. Honestly...

 

[semperfido]

KISP 121914Z 05015G24KT 1/2SM +RA FG FEW007 BKN012 OVC018 14/13 A3007 RMK AO2 PK WND 05029/1859 P0018 RVRNO

KISP 121956Z 05022G34KT 3SM -RA BR BKN008 BKN012 OVC020 14/13 A3008 RMK AO2 PK WND 06034/1951 SLP185 P0031 T01390133


Sheets of rain blowing across the runway. It looked like a bloody hurricane coming across the airport, with about two inches of standing water on the ramp. The approach was bumpy (duh), but I made a nice touchdown in spite of it.
...

just your typical Nor' Easter in that neck of the woods. and i thought the idea was to "plant it" not "grease it" in those conditions. where is your sense of humor? maybe you need to lower your pax expectations.

 

[avbug]

CA1900,

I suppose most of all it's attitudes like yours that are pet peeves of mine. Who do you think you are?

You want to cause bodily injury and harm to a paying passenger for her opinion, when you were doing the job you were paid to do? Stay in the cockpit, then. Hide until the passengers deplane.

I've known a few pilots who sounded like you over little things like that...and every one of them should have been on medication or grounded.

Congratulations on your restraint on not tripping or sounding off to the paying passenger. Take a few deep breaths, and forget it.

 

[The_Russian]

Uneducated comments are not appriciated in any profession. I would have at least pulled that biatch aside and "informed" her on how ignorant she is. Personally I want to cause bodily harm to any passenger who talks like that. And I don't giv-a-do wtf anyone thinks about that.

 

[Pedro]

During a seven leg day, you sometimes forget.

My peeves:

135 pilots in the Out Islands that dont follo AIM procedures for pattern flying.

People who dont talk on the radio enough at uncontrolled fields. No you dont need to have a radio installed but I know you do!

People who think if you fly on your days off for fun you are a dork.

People who fly airplanes for a living and dont have any interest in airplanes.

People who came into this business to make a lot of money.

People who get sick in airplanes.

People who can't or won't or have never done aerobatics.

(Notice I call them people not pilots.)

Pilots who think they came into this whole thing "the right way".

Pilots who start fights with other pilots because who they work for.

Pilots who biatch about their union job but dont come to meetings or grieve thing.

Salaies.

No respect for contracts.

Pilots who think NDBs are for idiots. The truth is you are the idiot who doesnt know how to use the NDB.

Management that doesnt want to run an airline. They think they are running a Walmart. Slashing prices like that stupid yellow dot thing.

Women in aviation who are proud of being a woman in aviation.

Gay pilots who come to work with makeup on and think its ok.

Understaffing for cost savings.

The cost of cable TV.

Gas prices.

Ramp agents at FBOs who hate pilots.

FBOs who treat pilots like shoot.

Pilots who use Signature.

Pilots who use max power all the time. Try doing that in your car. I bet you wouldnt want to hurt YOUR baby.

People who should not be allowed to pass a 441 but they let them anyway.

People who fail upgrade or training. No excuse, you are a professional.

People who have flown only: 152/172, PA44, CRJ. Real experience you have there Bob.

Airport "neigbors". Idiots. You knew it was there.

FAA hour requirements for 135. Much to high. Need to be category/class specific.

HGTV, Oxygen, Lifetime, HSN, etc.

Vanity. (yeah im ugly)

Real estate prices in South Florida.

People who dont know anything about how money works. Then they complain they have no money.

Muslim Extremists.

Bahamian ATC.

Pilots who dont like to have fun at work.

Going out fishing all day and catching nothin!

My pizza just got here after a darn hour fifteen so I am dont biatching. Hope I didnt offend anyone.

CYA!!!

Would you like some fries with that?

You must be a joy to fly with, anything else you would like to add to that list?


"People who have flown only: 152/172, PA44, CRJ. Real experience you have there Bob."

I guess your PPL came with all those airplanes you listed. Everybody has to start somewhere, and it's not everybody's goal to fly as many types as possible, Dork.

 

[The_Russian]

Flechas, you need to chill man.

 

[CA1900]

I suppose most of all it's attitudes like yours that are pet peeves of mine. Who do you think you are?

Oh spare me the sanctimony, avbug. If you've never had a customer, in any business, rub you the wrong way, then you're not human.

I'm not her personal limo driver (or personal pilot). I'm a pilot for an airline. I'm charged with getting my passengers to their destination safely, hopefully on-time, and -- as much as possible -- comfortably.

I briefed the passengers before the flight that the weather was not good at the destination, and that the last few minutes of the flight would be bumpy. I offered that there was plenty of space on the flight in a few hours if anyone wanted to wait for the weather to calm down. I did everything in my power to ensure a smooth flight, but I can only do so much with what nature dishes out. I worked very hard to keep that planeload of passengers safe and comfortable.

You want to cause bodily injury and harm to a paying passenger for her opinion, when you were doing the job you were paid to do? Stay in the cockpit, then. Hide until the passengers deplane.

I've known a few pilots who sounded like you over little things like that...and every one of them should have been on medication or grounded.

Oh, please. I don't hide from my passengers. And if you can't tell the difference between me venting on a message board to other pilots, and actually contemplating causing bodily harm and throwing an F-bomb at a passenger, I think you're the one that needs medication. I'm quite capable of handling myself professionally in front of my passengers. Even when the passengers can't.

But thanks for your concern about my mental state. :nuts:

 

[semperfido]

Uneducated comments are not appriciated in any profession. I would have at least pulled that biatch aside and "informed" her on how ignorant she is. Personally I want to cause bodily harm to any passenger who talks like that. And I don't giv-a-do wtf anyone thinks about that.

you will go far grasshopper

 

[The_Russian]

Thanks Mr Miyagi!

 

[Lead Sled]

I'm one of those.

If it's green on the screen (downlink wx)....

It could be mean.

I don't mind a little rain, but if it's showing up on the Avidyne...that information maybe a few minutes old and I'm not sure exactly what's in it NOW.

Pilots who don't understand and don't know how to use their weather radar.

'Sled

 

[ToiletDuck]

Gay pilots who come to work with makeup on and think its ok.

Is that really an issue at some companies? I mean really we'd have to have a sit down over that.

 

[TIGV]

WTF??? What kind of limey douche flies through level 4 cells and doesn't have a working transponder, yet you can buy 2 or 3 737s?

My gripe: Idiots who can't spell CENTER.

Limey douche leaves the poo-nanny clean and smelling citrussy !

Transponder not required for weather penetration !

Delays caused by the unnecessary preferantial treatment of airlines that cost the Federal Reserve lost interest when I'm forced to slow to 170, 20 miles out. My average float per leg 30 to 60 mill.

My gripe ? Being called an Idiot by an idiot.

PS: Sorry about the spelling errors..............

 

[landlover]

"The Phillips Head screw.

would you care to explain this one?