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bri5150 said:
Plus, in my opinion, it makes it look like the Pinnacle MEC has nothing better to do than post on this board. In my fantasy world, I guess I invisioned the union working tirelessly to get this done. The last thing I would want to do when working tirelessly is talk about it more during my off time.
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I do apologize spending my off day on the phone, email, and forums dealing with union work. Maybe I can just do some 200% flying and play golf.

This entire situation is turning into a divisive break in the JCBA process. 9E wants it done, XJ wants it done, 9L wants it done. We can all work together and do it, or tear each other apart. The 9E pilots have been in negotiations for years, but this IS a joint deal and outside of section 6. That is known and understood, unfortunately it's the same games at the table. That is what has us fired up.
 
Flyer1015 said:
This email says volumes about the Mesaba group:



Keep drinkin the kool-aid! You "believed" a JCBA was within reach on Nov 15, and it wasn't. Now you believe a JCBA is within reach by the end of the week, I have news for you: it isn't! If your pilot group has any unity and are on the same page as us, then you would picket alongside us!!! I cannot believe the stance your MEC has taken. You should be ashamed of this action, this email!
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Stop beating the dead horse with the picketing. If our MEC thinks it's in the best interest for Mesaba Pilots to refrain from picketing, then I'll take the advice. I'll agree that setting these unreachable deadlines for a TA is getting old. But, this is how the process works unfortunately and we'll just have to continue being patient. Don't forget it's not about you anymore...it's about us and all three pilot groups involved now.
 
We have been patient for 6 years, and nothing has changed!!! Management is up to no good and unfortunately only the 9E pilots see this...I believe in the near future, 9L and XJ will see the light...
 
mxaviator said:
be patient?!? Umm, it seems they have been. How long have they been working to get a contract? wow.
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Everyone knows how long it has taken the 9E pilots.....but this merger of the 3 pilot groups is a different ballgame and the timeline for a contract cannot be viewed from the beginning of 9E pilots original negotiation. This should not be hard to understand. I understand how fed up 9E pilots are with management, but this will not happen overnight. I say stop with the stupid unreasonable deadlines and get it done with. When it's done, show the TA to the pilots to vote on.
 
MACH-TUCK said:
We have been patient for 6 years, and nothing has changed!!! Management is up to no good and unfortunately only the 9E pilots see this...I believe in the near future, 9L and XJ will see the light...
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Unfortunately, it going to be the light from the bus mgt is throwing them under. Not the 9E pilots as they seem to think.
 
Flyer1015 said:
This email says volumes about the Mesaba group:



Keep drinkin the kool-aid! You "believed" a JCBA was within reach on Nov 15, and it wasn't. Now you believe a JCBA is within reach by the end of the week, I have news for you: it isn't! If your pilot group has any unity and are on the same page as us, then you would picket alongside us!!! I cannot believe the stance your MEC has taken. You should be ashamed of this action, this email!
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Why start another thread about this. It's all over two other threads and one on another forum. What's the point, other than to try to stir up the hornets nest a little more. Remember, these are not section 6 negotiations right now. The clock started over, and it's only been 60 days or so. You would do well to put the previous 5 years of negotiations behind you and give this a little time. I know your frustrated, heck I would be too, but try not to let that cloud your judgement.
 
In order to guard the hen house, some of the chickens have decided to stand with the fox instead of the other hens.
 
I used to care about Mesaba, but know, with their arrogant attitude, I'm actually looking forward to the big red stapler from Office Space.
 
altimaklr said:
The XJ MEC knows this month is their last chance before the company will exit the process agreement, start transferring planes, and furloughing as the saabs start getting returned.
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Status quo for 2 years....did you forget about that one? Yes the Saabs are being parked, but the transfer of aircraft won't be happening anytime soon.
 
OK... enough! We can rip each other apart and declare no victory or bring up the remaining issues and figure out where the problems lie. You all have the sections in your email.
 
Flyer1015 said:
I used to care about Mesaba, but know, with their arrogant attitude, I'm actually looking forward to the big red stapler from Office Space.
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Oh, now if that isn't a childish answer. Try saying and or doing something constructive to help with this mess instead of starting a bashing thread
 
SEVEN said:
:laugh:....Good one!!

Keep dream'n. Delusions of grandeur.
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You better pray the JCBA happens. If it doesn't, the XJ planes will come to 9E. Just what kind of integration do you think you'll be getting? The merger is between Mesaba and Colgan only. The CRJs transferred to 9E will not be a merger. At best, fragementation policy will apply. But most likely, it will end up in arbitration. Good luck! a 2 for 1 sounds painful, but not nearly as painful as a 3 for 1. Ya'll already set that precedent in a 1997 agreement. Heee hawww! I'll take me crazy Texan side in a corner, and let this play out.
 
Flyer1015 said:
You better pray the JCBA happens. If it doesn't, the XJ planes will come to 9E. Just what kind of integration do you think you'll be getting? The merger is between Mesaba and Colgan only. The CRJs transferred to 9E will not be a merger. At best, fragementation policy will apply. But most likely, it will end up in arbitration. Good luck! a 2 for 1 sounds painful, but not nearly as painful as a 3 for 1. Ya'll already set that precedent in a 1997 agreement. Heee hawww! I'll take me crazy Texan side in a corner, and let this play out.
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Thank goodness for the "IGNORE" feature of this board. I think I just found a new candidate. You just don't get it, do you flyer. If you guys want to picket because of the last 6 years, I completely understand that. What you need to understand is that our union does NOT want us to picket because of the last TWO MONTHS. If and when the time comes and they tell us to picket with you guys or even by ourselves we will do that, too. Unlike the 9E guys that I have run across, I actually trust my union reps to do what is best for me and the 9E,9L, and XJ pilot groups as a whole. I bear 9E and 9L guys no ill will, but it is folks like yourself who I pray are in the minority over there that really just make me want to go bang my head against a cement wall.
 
Flyer1015 said:
You better pray the JCBA happens. If it doesn't, the XJ planes will come to 9E. Just what kind of integration do you think you'll be getting? The merger is between Mesaba and Colgan only. The CRJs transferred to 9E will not be a merger. At best, fragementation policy will apply. But most likely, it will end up in arbitration. Good luck! a 2 for 1 sounds painful, but not nearly as painful as a 3 for 1. Ya'll already set that precedent in a 1997 agreement. Heee hawww! I'll take me crazy Texan side in a corner, and let this play out.
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Maybe this is why Mesaba pilots have a pompous attitude towards Pinnacle pilots?
 
Flyer1015 said:
You better pray the JCBA happens. If it doesn't, the XJ planes will come to 9E. Just what kind of integration do you think you'll be getting? The merger is between Mesaba and Colgan only. The CRJs transferred to 9E will not be a merger. At best, fragementation policy will apply. But most likely, it will end up in arbitration. Good luck! a 2 for 1 sounds painful, but not nearly as painful as a 3 for 1. Ya'll already set that precedent in a 1997 agreement. Heee hawww! I'll take me crazy Texan side in a corner, and let this play out.
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This is an easy rebuttal.....it's called copy and paste...:laugh:

Good one!!

Keep dream'n. Delusions of grandeur.
 

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