9e/xj/9l picketing 12/10 mem

[gojo]

to get this out there, Mesaba is not the only group that is Aganist the 9E picketing.its also not backed by delta mec, alpa national, XJ, 9L. So nobody can call XJ to the floor on not walking.

Thank you for that, however the spin coming from the higney is different. He is clearly driving a wedge between the pilot groups

 

[RJLoser]

Not backing is different from banning your pilots from supporting it. DL pilots will be walking.

 

[gojo]

Not backing is different from banning your pilots from supporting it. DL pilots will be walking.

Whatever, your missing the point and are not looking at the whole picture.

 

[CptMurf]

Not backing is different from banning your pilots from supporting it. DL pilots will be walking.

Point is... You guys have gone off the reservation here.

 

[higney85]

There are a bunch of points that need to be discussed. The 3 MEC's have worked and are working together for a JCBA. That is the goal/mission/priority. The Pinnacle side needs/wants/desires a contract. It's not that 60 days is too long, it's not even that 6 years is a reasoning, it's the fact that it is the same scenario whether it's 6 years or 60 days. Deadlines come and go, we meet back up and get some things done (which happened yesterday- interesting timing) and then when we hit the big ticket sections the wall is hit. The company has always used a "Divide and Conquer" type methodology in all this and unfortunately when all the Pinnacle guys have been saying this everyone else said "O no, not us". Well guys- look at the last 6 years, the last 60 days, and you will see history has been repeated. Look at us already! A few days ago we were actually agreeing on things!

The point to keep in mind is that this does NOT mean this JCBA CAN'T get done. On the contrary, the "TA1" was achieved in 2009 at the NMB and was turned down by the group. This JCBA can get done, and if it's done tomorrow that would be awesome! The Pinnacle folks (MEC or line) are NOT trying to send groups out to pasture. If we did why would we be bothered with the "cold shoulder" routine? We all know we are in this together and we want to achieve a deal that secures our future and compensates all of us to a level that is appropriate with the company's success. I am sorry you feel that I am personally trying to drive a wedge between pilots. That is far from my intentions and doesn't even make sense when I am working to get events together where all 3 groups can work together towards a common goal. I have friends at XJ and talk quite regularly to folks at the CJC side in efforts to find any new ideas that can bring this entire process for everyone to a close. I find it to be bothersome that all 3 groups are not working cohesively at the moment. The Pinnacle side is working to apply pressure to get this JCBA done, the other two groups apparently want to "wait". Even Colgan- who is at 2 years I believe and the company walked away from their negotiations right after they got us on Ice. Ironically that was just prior to the Mesaba purchase by Corp. I will admit that I am typing with a good bit of frustration in all of this. Everyone wants things done, but then it's just another problem and tribal council event whenever attempts are made.

 

[CptMurf]

Thank you for that, however the spin coming from the higney is different. He is clearly driving a wedge between the pilot groups

Never met Higney, but it was pretty easy to find out who he is. He seems to me to be a bit radical (by ALPA standards) and very outspoken. Both of these things could very well be a benefit. Shake things up a bit, if you will. He may also be a "Great Guy", I don't know. But he DEFINATLY should not be openly posting his own ideology on public forums. It creates a division between the Higney followers and the MEC as a whole. In political terms, this could be called a COUP or Mutiny in the Navy.

If you do trust him, great! If you like him, that's fine too. If your friends with him, you might ask him to refrain from posting ANY personal opinions on a public forum (FI/APC).

 

[Terry Hunter]

Seems to me that everyone is criticizing the lack of participation (support) of the picketing, but I think the real issue that needs to be addressed is the purpose/timing of the picketing. When I first heard of it earlier this week, I was scratching my head on the timing.

I agree with a previous poster... that when the time is appropriate, everyone will be there. But from I've heard, the picketing will proceed even if there is a TA.

Something seems amiss.

 

[RJLoser]

Murph is going to end up swinging gear for an XJ furlough that has come to PCL.
I kiiiiiiiiiiid, I kiiiiiiiid. Lighten up murph. Differences aside we are in this together. Hope both MEC's do their best.

 

[higney85]

Never met Higney, but it was pretty easy to find out who he is. He seems to me to be a bit radical (by ALPA standards) and very outspoken. Both of these things could very well be a benefit. Shake things up a bit, if you will. He may also be a "Great Guy", I don't know. But he DEFINATLY should not be openly posting his own ideology on public forums. It creates a division between the Higney followers and the MEC as a whole. In political terms, this could be called a COUP or Mutiny in the Navy.

If you do trust him, great! If you like him, that's fine too. If your friends with him, you might ask him to refrain from posting ANY personal opinions on a public forum (FI/APC).

I'm sorry you feel this way. I am simply giving my "best effort".

 

[ataopsdave]

Never met Higney, but it was pretty easy to find out who he is. He seems to me to be a bit radical (by ALPA standards) and very outspoken. Both of these things could very well be a benefit. Shake things up a bit, if you will. He may also be a "Great Guy", I don't know. But he DEFINATLY should not be openly posting his own ideology on public forums. It creates a division between the Higney followers and the MEC as a whole. In political terms, this could be called a COUP or Mutiny in the Navy.

If you do trust him, great! If you like him, that's fine too. If your friends with him, you might ask him to refrain from posting ANY personal opinions on a public forum (FI/APC).

Actually to the contrary...when it comes to this issue the ENTIRE MEC supports him...

 

[ataopsdave]

Seems to me that everyone is criticizing the lack of participation (support) of the picketing, but I think the real issue that needs to be addressed is the purpose/timing of the picketing. When I first heard of it earlier this week, I was scratching my head on the timing.

I agree with a previous poster... that when the time is appropriate, everyone will be there. But from I've heard, the picketing will proceed even if there is a TA.

Something seems amiss.

I wouldnt look so much into the timing of this picketing...If we reach a TA prior to the picketing I think its safe to say that it would be called off...But I highly doubt that we will have a TA in the next 24 hours when there are still 10+ sections that need closing

 

[CptMurf]

I'm sorry you feel this way. I am simply giving my "best effort".

Man, I have absolutely NO beef with you whatsoever. I'll make this promise now, "If I ever meet you, or have the opportunity to spend some time talking with you, the meal and drinks are on me!" but you are the only ALPA rep I have ever heard openly posting on a public forum. And you seem to post your own opinion on subjects, not the MECs. I read your above post right before I received the JNCs email and they read TOTALLY different. This confuses me, I don't know if your MEC is ready to fight or if you want to negotiate. You have many followers and seem very passionate about their wellbeing out of this, and I commend you for that. But a rep is suppose to represent, lead by example, and be a calm head of their union army. When you post openly against what the JNC or your MEC is putting out, then that IS driving a wedge. People must make a decision to follow you, or stay in the herd.

 

[CptMurf]

Murph is going to end up swinging gear for an XJ furlough that has come to PCL.
I kiiiiiiiiiiid, I kiiiiiiiid. Lighten up murph. Differences aside we are in this together. Hope both MEC's do their best.

I look forward to fly with some of those guys again. I'll throw their gear anyday... From the left seat of course.

 

[gojo]

I'm sorry you feel this way. I am simply giving my "best effort".

I'm sure you are frustrated, and it does show in what you post. Sometimes more than others. As mentioned before you are the only union leader leader that I know of that posts on public forums. I think it would be very difficult to hide those frustrations and remain positive given what you guys have been through, but I do feel words of encouragement may go further in unifying ALL the the pilot groups, and your energies could be used better in the fight with the other two MECs and then toward the company. At times it seems like you are sprinkling gas on an already hot fire.

 

[higney85]

Man, I have absolutely NO beef with you whatsoever. I'll make this promise now, "If I ever meet you, or have the opportunity to spend some time talking with you, the meal and drinks are on me!" but you are the only ALPA rep I have ever heard openly posting on a public forum. And you seem to post your own opinion on subjects, not the MECs. I read your above post right before I received the JNCs email and they read TOTALLY different. This confuses me, I don't know if your MEC is ready to fight or if you want to negotiate. You have many followers and seem very passionate about their wellbeing out of this, and I commend you for that. But a rep is suppose to represent, lead by example, and be a calm head of their union army. When you post openly against what the JNC or your MEC is putting out, then that IS driving a wedge. People must make a decision to follow you, or stay in the herd.

This is calm. I can't type while angry.

If it makes you feel better, or even more confused... ask around about who wrote the JNC updates last week.... Cheers....

 

[higney85]

I'm sure you are frustrated, and it does show in what you post. Sometimes more than others. As mentioned before you are the only union leader leader that I know of that posts on public forums. I think it would be very difficult to hide those frustrations and remain positive given what you guys have been through, but I do feel words of encouragement may go further in unifying ALL the the pilot groups, and your energies could be used better in the fight with the other two MECs and then toward the company. At times it seems like you are sprinkling gas on an already hot fire.

I am guilty of being a bit "radical" at times. Personally I also believe in doing anything to your best effort to the full extent (obviously while still being "legal"). There is no reason to "lay back" and I know we are in different mindsets with 2 totally different circumstances. Rest assured that I am NOT out to divide us, I know we haven't met but I only do union work to help the group. I get nothing out of it, except a higher handicap on the golf course...

 

[Top Gum]

Wow! One contract, one list, one voice, and only one picketing?

[FONT=&quot]good times[/FONT]

 

[bri5150]

Never met Higney, but it was pretty easy to find out who he is. He seems to me to be a bit radical (by ALPA standards) and very outspoken. Both of these things could very well be a benefit. Shake things up a bit, if you will. He may also be a "Great Guy", I don't know. But he DEFINATLY should not be openly posting his own ideology on public forums. It creates a division between the Higney followers and the MEC as a whole. In political terms, this could be called a COUP or Mutiny in the Navy.

If you do trust him, great! If you like him, that's fine too. If your friends with him, you might ask him to refrain from posting ANY personal opinions on a public forum (FI/APC).

Plus, in my opinion, it makes it look like the Pinnacle MEC has nothing better to do than post on this board. In my fantasy world, I guess I invisioned the union working tirelessly to get this done. The last thing I would want to do when working tirelessly is talk about it more during my off time.

 

[RJLoser]

Plus, in my opinion, it makes it look like the Pinnacle MEC has nothing better to do than post on this board. In my fantasy world, I guess I invisioned the union working tirelessly to get this done. The last thing I would want to do when working tirelessly is talk about it more during my off time.

I believe higney joined FI to explain the facts when individuals were posting ridiculous rumors here.

 

[Flyer1015]

Mesaba's pompous attitude towards Pinnacle

This email says volumes about the Mesaba group:

Mesaba MEC Negotiating Update:

Negotiations for the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement continue this week in Washington, D.C., and have yielded positive results. During the first ten hours of bargaining, we reached a Tentative Agreement (TA) on Sections 11 (Training & Testing) and 24 (Filling of Vacancies), and continued progress on Sections 25 (Scheduling) and 27 (Insurance Benefits). We believe a TA on the JCBA is within reach by the end of the week.

As some of you may have heard, the Pinnacle MEC is planning a number of informational picketing events commencing on Friday, December 10 in Memphis, TN. We have typically found informational picketing to be very successful when we have reached an impasse during bargaining. However, considering the progress at the bargaining table this week, we believe it will be counter-productive to engage in picketing at this time. While we respect the Pinnacle MEC’s point of view, we are asking all Mesaba pilots to refrain from participating at these events. We need to remain focused on our goal of One Contract for One Seniority List.

Keep drinkin the kool-aid! You "believed" a JCBA was within reach on Nov 15, and it wasn't. Now you believe a JCBA is within reach by the end of the week, I have news for you: it isn't! If your pilot group has any unity and are on the same page as us, then you would picket alongside us!!! I cannot believe the stance your MEC has taken. You should be ashamed of this action, this email!