SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[waveflyer]

Please, everyone on the outside and new air tran members- tell us how it works.

 

[Kharma Police]

Please, everyone on the outside and new air tran members- tell us how it works.

No, you've told us how it works and warned us after the fact. The first offer is always the best.

 

[waveflyer]

Implying that your internal union politics weren't neurotic and hence delaying the sli process....we were all here man- we know what got you guys the process you got, neurosis mixed in with greed and unrealistic expectations

 

[Kharma Police]

Implying that your internal union politics weren't neurotic and hence delaying the sli process....we were all here man- we know what got you guys the process you got, neurosis mixed in with greed and unrealistic expectations

Not what I'm saying at all, I was just saying to take your own advice which is to take the first offer. Since you have all the answers, I will again wish you and SWAPA the best of luck.

 

[K-Mart]

I agree with Kharma. Lotta talking outta both sides of mouth from Southwest and AirTran guys.

 

[PCL_128]

Sure; I'm an optimist by nature.

My post was primarily for all the pessimists and haters out there clamoring about SWAPA giving "concessions" to the company. Negotiations are negotiations, no matter what two entities are involved. And since the company's opening position was "flattish," i.e. NOT even starting off asking for concessions, I have a hard time taking any of those haters' positions on SWAPA needing to "give back to the company" seriously. You know?

Bubba

I understand, but you also have to remember that negotiations delayed indefinitely is essentially a concession in and of itself. The value of the dollar bill in your pocket decreases with each passing day. On average, it decreases by 3% per year. So if Gary stalls for 3-5 years, you have indeed lost something, even though you haven't inked your name to a concessionary agreement. That's his strategy. I guarantee it. And unless SWAPA is willing to apply pressure in the traditional ways, then you'll get nowhere and he'll get exactly what he wants. Randy knows this game. He fought it for years. He was brought in for a reason.

 

[PCL_128]

Hiring Randy Babbit doesn't concern me at all. You think he's some highly paid, highly sought after hired gun? Please.

Indeed he is. He made millions of dollars as a hired gun when he had his own company, Eclat Consulting.

 

[scoreboardII]

But he's still a drunk driver...

 

[redflyer65]

Indeed he is. He made millions of dollars as a hired gun when he had his own company, Eclat Consulting.

I don't see him bringing any creditbility to the table on anything PCL. Again, I'm not concerned.

We've always gotten retro pay as well PCL, and Gary understands that as too. We won't sign anything without it. It's a non-starter.

 

[Nindiri]

Getting some retro or a signing bonus is nice, but it never recovers all you lost by the company dragging it out. The company wins that game every time.