New 1500 hour rule first affected

[canyonblue]

Never can tell sometimes the best time to get into something is when everyone says don't get into it. I think of Ford Motor Company in Dec 2008. Everyone said it is going BK, it stock is worthless at $1.78 a share.

That's also called gambling, and I wouldn't gamble with a career choice. I'm sure there are many out there that thought the same about GM or Chrysler stock, just like a career at United, Delta or American. Everyone touts the massive retirements that these three will have in the coming years. The real question is where will all of the hiring be? At the mainline, or at the regional? Those RJ's seem to keep getting bigger and bigger.

 

[dalad]

That's also called gambling, and I wouldn't gamble with a career choice. I'm sure there are many out there that thought the same about GM or Chrysler stock, just like a career at United, Delta or American. Everyone touts the massive retirements that these three will have in the coming years. The real question is where will all of the hiring be? At the mainline, or at the regional? Those RJ's seem to keep getting bigger and bigger.

I bought 5k shares at a little over 3 and rode it all the way up to 18 and sold them at a little over 16. When Mulally came out and said they weren't going BK I believed him based on his experience. Biggest mistake BA made was letting him get away. BA is going to die a slow death just like McD did. outsourcing all their labor has caused huge problems with the 787. Not deciding to introduce a replacement for the 737 is another mistake. Did you know McD management is running BA now? Short, short, short. How many completed 787 hulls do they have that are worthless because the cost of repairing them would add too much weight and expense. They have to deliver 1200 787's just to reach break even now.

 

[waveflyer]

I didn't say they were seated in first class necessarily. I'm saying they pay more for tickets. They like assigned seats and to be fed most generally.



We don't have a common frame of reference. I didn't fail to mention Spirit and Allegiant or Airtran. There is nothing devious about how they operate. With SWA there most definitely is. You're going to show up (with a lot of fanfare) and with no codeshare (which means you think you're entitled to have all the money go one way [you]). These foreign airlines are going to start to question why you think you're entitled to space on their airports and in their terminals and you don't make the same [equal] accommodation for them?

This is where Gary will step in with the next part of the plan.

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

The regionals will shrink first, leaving only the unhireable. (Like PBR Streetgang). As long as there are recent crashes in the spotlight, there won't be any "safety" changes.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Ahhhha,
DAL, least respected brand
Genny, Least respected fanboy of the least respected brand.
I guess landing on a taxiway is safe, true safety will come when DAL guy learn how to read a wind sock and tell the difference between a runway and taxiway.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Yet you cannot convince him that he has NO life. Sad.

He has a life, its called being a F/I troll and living in his moms basement. You can tell when Mrs Pee is having a visit with "Uncle Steve", the genny's posts become more hostile and disjointed, seems he has a problem with his mom being sodomized in the living room, and enjoying it.
Pretty sure he will snivel to the admins about this one.

 

[slaquer5]

Flop

Is all your anger because of how the UAL. CAL senority list is looking ?

It is not turning out how you expected .

 

[livin'thesim]

Never can tell sometimes the best time to get into something is when everyone says don't get into it. I think of Ford Motor Company in Dec 2008. Everyone said it is going BK, it stock is worthless at $1.78 a share.

An acceptable risk to take with a portion of an investment portfolio. But only a fool would go all-in with a low-priced stock, because it might actually be worth little.

The level of investment of time and money in a career is closer to an all-in situation, not a risk-capital situation. Therefore, it is very high risk to get into a career as a "contrarian" move.

 

[scoreboardII]

I didn't say they were seated in first class necessarily. I'm saying they pay more for tickets. They like assigned seats and to be fed most generally.



We don't have a common frame of reference. I didn't fail to mention Spirit and Allegiant or Airtran. There is nothing devious about how they operate. With SWA there most definitely is. You're going to show up (with a lot of fanfare) and with no codeshare (which means you think you're entitled to have all the money go one way [you]). These foreign airlines are going to start to question why you think you're entitled to space on their airports and in their terminals and you don't make the same [equal] accommodation for them?

This is where Gary will step in with the next part of the plan.

Once again, your argument is not an argument, it's an unsupportable statement.

SWA does not get to say who flies into or out of HOU.

SWA does not get to say how many gates another carrier, international or otherwise get at HOU, that's up to the HOU airport officials.

SWA HAS paid to build THIER own terminal. And the price of doing that, to gain that approval, was to give back one gate.

SWA didn't coerce the city into selling bonds that the average citizen will be paying for, SWA didn't promise a corporate HQ and then double back on that promise. SWA promised to build a terminal and give up one gate, for the right to use the gates they built.

This is called a perfect example of how the free market should work. Not how big Chicago politician's do it by promising one thing then doing another.

If those other international airlines, who fly assigned seats, want a gate, or a terminal, I'm more than sure HOU airport officials will let them build their own terminal.

Frame of reference? You have none.

 

[General Lee]

He has a life, its called being a F/I troll and living in his moms basement. You can tell when Mrs Pee is having a visit with "Uncle Steve", the genny's posts become more hostile and disjointed, seems he has a problem with his mom being sodomized in the living room, and enjoying it.
Pretty sure he will snivel to the admins about this one.

Quit stating your fantasies online you perv! Anyway, since you are the number one brasillia FO, it will be interesting to hear if you actually transition up to the RJ (before most 50 seaters are parked), or if you just retire from the right seat of the bro as it exits the fleet eventually. I'm guessing you will go from bro FO to Denny's greeter at age 65, in a few years. "Uncle" Steve wants to keep a better eye on you anyway. Good for you two. Cheers!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Scrapdog]

It takes a horrible toll on your body. But the way things are set up at the legacies, you have to fly the widebody to get the higher pay. Doing a 2 and a half day trip at SW within the same time zone is apples and oranges to the walking dead 60+ year old guys that can't turn that many time zones anymore.

I disagree...here are some facts.

1. You eat correctly you stay in better shape.

2. You workout regularly, you stay in better physical and mental shape. Physical activity is actually the number one thing you can do for brain health as well when you age. Straight from "Welcome to Your Brain" by Dr. Aamodt - a neuroscientist.

3. You get regular rest you stay in better shape. It takes some practice flying to Europe and Asia but it is easily achievable once you get into your routine.

I personally would much rather fly a wide body and see some interesting destinations. When SWA and other legacies were hiring in the mid 2000s I had absolutely no desire to fly a 737 for the rest of my life. A lot of military bro's of mine do fly for SWA and like it, but I wasn't interested in the least. Each to their own.

It's how you take care of yourself...has nothing to do with what airplane you fly. I've got a number of wide body buddies that could smoke 75% of any SWA fatties in a crossfit workout.

 

[Scrapdog]

Flop

Is all your anger because of how the UAL. CAL senority list is looking ?

It is not turning out how you expected .

Huh? It's not published yet holmes. Unless you have some insider information there is no way to tell if it is looking one way or another.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

It takes some practice flying to Europe and Asia but it is easily achievable once you get into your routine.

I personally would much rather fly a wide body and see some interesting destinations.

Agreed, I've been doing it for 7 years and it hasn't been an issue at all really, I'm a lot healthier and happier than I was in the rat race! Just the thought of jump seating makes the hair in the back of my neck stand on end....! Ugh!

 

[StopNTSing]

Well, if you had to proceed like a traditional legacy (which you don't), you could expect as much access to their airport(s) as you give to them. So if you were a legacy you'd be done before you start, because ONE gate wouldn't cut it. But you're SWA, so I'm guessing Gary is greasing the wheels right now. You better hope he get's it done.

Actually, if we had to proceed like a traditional legacy, we'd get the airport authority to pay for the construction. Then we'd stiff 'em later on when our business plan didn't work out as expected like in BNA with AA, or PIT with US, or how about that big beautiful MX hangar in IND that UAL just up & walked away from?

 

[waveflyer]

I disagree...here are some facts.

1. You eat correctly you stay in better shape.

2. You workout regularly, you stay in better physical and mental shape. Physical activity is actually the number one thing you can do for brain health as well when you age. Straight from "Welcome to Your Brain" by Dr. Aamodt - a neuroscientist.

3. You get regular rest you stay in better shape. It takes some practice flying to Europe and Asia but it is easily achievable once you get into your routine.

I personally would much rather fly a wide body and see some interesting destinations. When SWA and other legacies were hiring in the mid 2000s I had absolutely no desire to fly a 737 for the rest of my life. A lot of military bro's of mine do fly for SWA and like it, but I wasn't interested in the least. Each to their own.

It's how you take care of yourself...has nothing to do with what airplane you fly. I've got a number of wide body buddies that could smoke 75% of any SWA fatties in a crossfit workout.

Now with that--
Can we give it a rest yet?
Or do we all have to respond to GL's flame?

 

[SWA Bubba]

I disagree...here are some facts.

1. You eat correctly you stay in better shape.

2. You workout regularly, you stay in better physical and mental shape. Physical activity is actually the number one thing you can do for brain health as well when you age. Straight from "Welcome to Your Brain" by Dr. Aamodt - a neuroscientist.

3. You get regular rest you stay in better shape. It takes some practice flying to Europe and Asia but it is easily achievable once you get into your routine.

I personally would much rather fly a wide body and see some interesting destinations. When SWA and other legacies were hiring in the mid 2000s I had absolutely no desire to fly a 737 for the rest of my life. A lot of military bro's of mine do fly for SWA and like it, but I wasn't interested in the least. Each to their own.

It's how you take care of yourself...has nothing to do with what airplane you fly. I've got a number of wide body buddies that could smoke 75% of any SWA fatties in a crossfit workout.

I would think that all of the ice cream sundaes that international wide-body guys eat alone would make it hard to stay in shape. To hear GL tell it, it must average one per hour in flight.

Bubba

 

[Scrapdog]

I would think that all of the ice cream sundaes that international wide-body guys eat alone would make it hard to stay in shape. To hear GL tell it, it must average one per hour in flight.

Bubba

And you take anything that guy says as gospel? Come on now...

 

[redflyer65]

And you take anything that guy says as gospel? Come on now...

Most of the stuff he throws out is just complete BS.

His opinion = fact in his own mind, then passes it off like he doesn't know the real facts.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

And you take anything that guy says as gospel? Come on now...

He is 5' 2" and a solid 295lbs, and shaped like a ripe pear, with mantitties that would make Carol Doda envious. He also has a fantastic sense of the homoerotic fantasy, most likely developed in between posting here and the main NAMBLA website.
I say again he has not ever been a DAL pilot nor a pilot of anything except MSFlight sim.

 

[dalad]

I would think that all of the ice cream sundaes that international wide-body guys eat alone would make it hard to stay in shape. To hear GL tell it, it must average one per hour in flight.

Bubba

I fly a mix of domestic and international, I have yet to eat a sundae on an international flight. Just got back from DKR yesterday, 48 hour layover at a resort with a golf course. 20 bucks to play including rental clubs and a caddy. The trip is hard to get as there are a bunch of surfers who bid DKR exclusively. I have never had a problem sleeping on international layovers or in the crew rest seat/bunk. But some guys can't handle it.

 

[waveflyer]

Sounds nice dalad-

 

[Flopgut]

What on earth are you talking about?

Fifth freedoms. Bilateral airport agreements. Treaties. Stuff like that.

 

[General Lee]

I disagree...here are some facts.

1. You eat correctly you stay in better shape.

2. You workout regularly, you stay in better physical and mental shape. Physical activity is actually the number one thing you can do for brain health as well when you age. Straight from "Welcome to Your Brain" by Dr. Aamodt - a neuroscientist.

3. You get regular rest you stay in better shape. It takes some practice flying to Europe and Asia but it is easily achievable once you get into your routine.

I personally would much rather fly a wide body and see some interesting destinations. When SWA and other legacies were hiring in the mid 2000s I had absolutely no desire to fly a 737 for the rest of my life. A lot of military bro's of mine do fly for SWA and like it, but I wasn't interested in the least. Each to their own.

It's how you take care of yourself...has nothing to do with what airplane you fly. I've got a number of wide body buddies that could smoke 75% of any SWA fatties in a crossfit workout.

Where is Redflyer's response? Can't wait.... I may eat a sundae every once and awhile, but I do exercise (bike around AMS, walk around the seine river in Paris, etc) and I usually get a good sleep on 24 hour layover, and then I get a paid 3 hour nap in the rest seat each way also. It's actually a great way to fly, and it pays more thanks to the INTL override and about 50 cents extra per hour for perdiem. Not bad. That adds up for the longer trips too.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Here it is Gen...

I think it's probably more important to workout on those long international trips because you're sitting around more. And that's not meant as a knock, it's just the facts. So if you, or Scrap are staying health..then that's a very good thing and I would applaud both of you. But not all guys do that and some look very, very tired. Especially when your beyond 60, but you HAVE to be on that widebody for the pay. Your boxed in. There are any good options to get off that plane if you need the pay. Maybe they should have planned accordingly? That's a whole 'nother debate.

I've flown with plenty of guys that have done longhaul flying (non-military), and they ALL say it takes a huge toll on your body. But to each their own. I'm glad your happy Gen.

 

[General Lee]

I fly a mix of domestic and international, I have yet to eat a sundae on an international flight. Just got back from DKR yesterday, 48 hour layover at a resort with a golf course. 20 bucks to play including rental clubs and a caddy. The trip is hard to get as there are a bunch of surfers who bid DKR exclusively. I have never had a problem sleeping on international layovers or in the crew rest seat/bunk. But some guys can't handle it.

Sounds great John. Great example. Looks like you had a busy couple weeks with a few trips in a row.....

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flopgut]

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Southwest-to-pay-for-Hobby-expansion-3581326.php

Better make the 10,000 job, 1.6 billion economic boost, and the $130 ticket to Bogota. Or it'll be a failure. The City turned on CAL/UAL. It will be even easier for them to turn on SWA.

 

[Flopgut]

Total price tag for Southwest's own terminal: $150 million. Southwest claims to be paying for it, but the City pays $55 million for the parking garage.

http://m.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2013/02/05/hobby-international-expansion-plans.html?r=full

Folks: Every airline ends up paying more for their airport needs than that. To say SWA is funding this in some unique way, is wrong.

 

[scoreboardII]

Flop, get this in your head, SWA paid for the terminal. That was the deal, SWA is sticking with their part of the obligation.

Show us another airline paying for their terminal. HOU is paying for the parking garage, the garage HOU will charge $15 a day and make billions.

UAL reneged on keeping the personnel in IAH, reneged on keeping a corporate presence.

Now, which airline has been truthful and above board?

Of course HOU will turn on those who screw them, why would they do otherwise?

You usually have good arguments, on this topic, your arguments FAIL.

 

[Flopgut]

Question: Is Southwest ready to build its own terminals in other countries?

 

[slaquer5]

Flop, get this in your head, SWA paid for the terminal. That was the deal, SWA is sticking with their part of the obligation.

Show us another airline paying for their terminal. HOU is paying for the parking garage, the garage HOU will charge $15 a day and make billions.

UAL reneged on keeping the personnel in IAH, reneged on keeping a corporate presence.

Now, which airline has been truthful and above board?

Of course HOU will turn on those who screw them, why would they do otherwise?

You usually have good arguments, on this topic, your arguments FAIL.

You left out UAL and. IND airport .


UAL. Likes to pull the rug out and run .

 

[redflyer65]

Question: Is Southwest ready to build its own terminals in other countries?

You mean like United has?

What's your point Flop? Are you angry that SW is paying for this terminal in Houston instead of fleecing he local citizens with long term bonds and then bailing to Chicago?