New 1500 hour rule first affected

[redflyer65]

50 is too young to look 75. I have a lot of buddies in their 30's who fly to Europe exclusively and they look beaten to ********************, at least 15 years older. 24hr layover? Big F'ng deal, I'd rather travel on my own time with my family.

It takes a horrible toll on your body. But the way things are set up at the legacies, you have to fly the widebody to get the higher pay. Doing a 2 and a half day trip at SW within the same time zone is apples and oranges to the walking dead 60+ year old guys that can't turn that many time zones anymore.

 

[waveflyer]

It takes a horrible toll on your body. But the way things are set up at the legacies, you have to fly the widebody to get the higher pay. Doing a 2 and a half day trip at SW within the same time zone is apples and oranges to the walking dead 60+ year old guys that can't turn that many time zones anymore.

If we ever get a bigger, longer range airplane, I hope we set up our pay like UPS so we don't get into that legacy chase the carrot dynamic- one blended pay rate, then do the flying you want to do.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

If we ever get a bigger, longer range airplane, I hope we set up our pay like UPS so we don't get into that legacy chase the carrot dynamic- one blended pay rate, then do the flying you want to do.

It works great at ANA, makes for a happier pilot group when everybody is doing what they like....!

 

[BentOver]

17,924 posts.... un freakin believable!!!

Someone quick, make a spreadsheet of how many posts you'd have to do a day to come up with that # of posts.... I know at 1 a day it's over 49 years!!!! I include Christmas and Thanksgiving because there's no way this guy's married or gets any presents.

That's a lot of posts about how at SWA you're stuck in a 737... Oh wait, how's that Lubbock overnight.. I've never heard that one..

I'd take SWA's 3 on 4 off type schedule any day over Delta's..

 

[N1atEcon]

The Delta First Class "sundae" that us common folk in steerage class will never get to taste or see will keep him looking young. Except around the middle! Maybe we can see him on a episode of the Biggest Looser...

 

[Dornier 335]

17,924 posts.... un freakin believable!!!

Someone quick, make a spreadsheet of how many posts you'd have to do a day to come up with that # of posts.... I know at 1 a day it's over 49 years!!!! I include Christmas and Thanksgiving because there's no way this guy's married or gets any presents.

That's a lot of posts about how at SWA you're stuck in a 737... Oh wait, how's that Lubbock overnight.. I've never heard that one..

I'd take SWA's 3 on 4 off type schedule any day over Delta's..

Yet you cannot convince him that he has NO life. Sad.

 

[jonjuan]

It takes a horrible toll on your body. But the way things are set up at the legacies, you have to fly the widebody to get the higher pay. Doing a 2 and a half day trip at SW within the same time zone is apples and oranges to the walking dead 60+ year old guys that can't turn that many time zones anymore.

Sure, but how many dudes at swa are banging out prior to 65? Not many and most in their late 50s/ early 60s look like death warmed over.

 

[madjack]

Last two fellas that retired in OAK, were in great shape...maybe more of a function of life choices and flying a lot of extra trips to make do then age...just saying...

 

[General Lee]

It's hilarious when the General tries to argue about outsourcing....this from the biggest outsourcer!

Talk about losing a debate before it even starts. Thanks for the laugh General. Your company and union have outsourced more jobs than we've ever had. A complete failure.

No, it's really funny watching you justify your ridiculous agreement with the cheaper AT guys flying the same plane for less. And, you have no answer for it, well, accept for "thanks GK for doing that, and we owe you one...." Ridiculous!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

17,924 posts.... un freakin believable!!!

Someone quick, make a spreadsheet of how many posts you'd have to do a day to come up with that # of posts.... I know at 1 a day it's over 49 years!!!! I include Christmas and Thanksgiving because there's no way this guy's married or gets any presents.

That's a lot of posts about how at SWA you're stuck in a 737... Oh wait, how's that Lubbock overnight.. I've never heard that one..

I'd take SWA's 3 on 4 off type schedule any day over Delta's..

Ahahaha! When you state post numbers, you know you can't debate. Really? A 3 day with 13 legs over 2 total legs that allow you to take turn legally napping during the flight (3 pilots), eating better food than SWA pretzels, and having a 24 hour layover somewhere you can't drive to? Yeah, sure! Right..... That will get old quick. Enjoy it putz!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yet you cannot convince him that he has NO life. Sad.

And you still don't have a pay raise, and likely won't for awhile. You lose.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

It takes a horrible toll on your body. But the way things are set up at the legacies, you have to fly the widebody to get the higher pay. Doing a 2 and a half day trip at SW within the same time zone is apples and oranges to the walking dead 60+ year old guys that can't turn that many time zones anymore.

Uhhhhhh what? So, being senior on a narrowbody means you can't make more than a widebody FO? Huh? Red, if you are senior in category, you can do many things, like swapping for higher paying trips, getting greenslips (double pay on days off), etc. You don't have any idea what you are talking about. And, I get more sleep on the longer trips, and better layovers, while taking a 3 hour paid nap each direction. What is your experience with long haul? Zip? Yeah, thought so. Another BS post by you. At least at the majors you have options to your type of flying. You don't.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Yay for you GL - and I'd still take the average domestic SWA trip over your domestic trips- though I'd love to do the long haul flying you got for a little while- I've done enough traveling to know I wouldn't want to do that op forever. Can that be cool and ok and stay on topic nerd?

Not sure you've even tried to make a comment on the 1500 hour rule

 

[redflyer65]

No, it's really funny watching you justify your ridiculous agreement with the cheaper AT guys flying the same plane for less. And, you have no answer for it, well, accept for "thanks GK for doing that, and we owe you one...." Ridiculous!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Are you seriously trying to equate a merger agreement between two carriers (that ends in 16 months) to your continued outsourcing over the past 20 years AND counting? Joint ventures, codeshare and 1000 RJs. Really?

Those two aren't even in the same realm and you know it. But you try the best you can with what little debate you have.....which is really nothing.

Re-read SWAdudes post. It pretty much lays out your non-argument.

 

[Flopgut]

30,000 foot view: I don't think the legacy outsource debate can not include a discussion of deregulation*. Additionally it's obvious the SWA posters here don't understand the significant recent changes in scope the most recent contracts at DAL and UAL have made. Yeah, there is still a lot of outsourcing, but these contracts both might prove to have turned the corner toward better scope. To the point of the thread, the 1500 rule causes a shortage of pilots at certain regionals, the flying comes right back to the legacy.

*If SWA had been a flash in the pan, deregulation would be considered a failure. Its the one airline ever body points to as deregulation's success. (even the guy who wrote it claims that as the truth) Problem is that success can be attributed directly to a non market competitive advantage at Love Field. Bottom line, SWA has the ingredients they need handed to them and the legacies have to endure the full brunt of every kind of market reality. If they were in the same market reality crosshairs that legacies like DAL are, it's doubtful SWA scope would look like it does now.

It's also interesting to see the same SWA guys swarm GL like they are here. Do you guys have a phone tree or something?! The instant a solid argument is made that does not flatter SWA the same guys get on here and get real chippy.