New 1500 hour rule first affected

[General Lee]

Talk about growing older, I feel sorry for the long haul guys. They look 75 years old when they break into their 50s.........

How many younger guys fly long haul, unless you fly for Kalitta or World? What you say makes little sense. Again, looking at the source (you), it's understandable. There is a reason guys stay on INTL until the end, fewer legs, nice destinations with 24 hour layovers that most would want to visit, etc. If you've only done multiple leg days on domestic, you probably don't understand. It's not like MAC in the Air Force either. It's darn easy, relaxing, and pays well. But, I think you should stick to multiple leg day domestic, you're used to it.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I hope the knee jerk reaction to all this is NOT raising the retirement age, but I fear that will happen...ICAO first, then us...too many factors support it: a looming demographic driven pilot shortage, smaller military, and now this ridiculous law...work till you die will be the future of commercial aviation....unless the drones take over...

The regionals will shrink first, leaving only the unhireable. (Like PBR Streetgang). As long as there are recent crashes in the spotlight, there won't be any "safety" changes.


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[waveflyer]

Fact is, if they paid a living wage, they're have no problem finding pilots and wouldn't have to come up with bullish!t excuses to the media and flying public as to why they can't maintain their schedule.

Exactly. I never understood 20 years ago how they got away with paying almost half what we were making flying the SAME AIRPLANE. And our rates were criminal.

 

[General Lee]

Exactly. I never understood 20 years ago how they got away with paying almost half what we were making flying the SAME AIRPLANE. And our rates were criminal.

Are you talking about what your company is doing right now with the AT guys on the 737? Why different pay on same plane type? Shame on you and your union for agreeing to that. That is outsourcing. If not, tell me why? You can't.


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[waveflyer]

Yeah, actual OPTIONS when it comes to type of flying, types of aircraft, and not having to do 25 min turns and multiple leg days forever in one type plane. Throw in frosty receptions from your future brothers and sisters that were treated poorly, and that sounds like a blast Canyonblue! Enjoy 5 legs from BWI to ONT tomorrow, that sounds awful, even at your payrate. Wow, barf!!! I can maybe see some younger RJ type pilots maybe enjoying that for a few years, but a career of that would be awful.... Guys at the legacies move upward and outward (INTL) as they grow older and more senior. Enjoy that 13 leg 3 day worth 26 trips.... Yutz!


Bye Bye---General Lee

How many of your 18,000 posts have said this^^^ almost word for word?

 

[General Lee]

How many of your 18,000 posts have said this^^^ almost word for word?

When anyone brings up post numbers, they have lost the debate, they know they have lost. Look, your union made a bad deal, and it will come back to haunt you. No wonder you avoided arbitration. Shameful. First step in a merger is to equalize pay on same size equipment. Otherwise, it's outsourcing. And, you know it....



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

It's hilarious when the General tries to argue about outsourcing....this from the biggest outsourcer!

Talk about losing a debate before it even starts. Thanks for the laugh General. Your company and union have outsourced more jobs than we've ever had. A complete failure.

 

[waveflyer]

That is the irony of Great Lakes-
I actually have a lot less issue with that type of operator than I do the sky west's and republic's of the world-

Lakes sells experience to pilots with their low wages and looking at where they fly, I'm sure they get that experience in droves- I know how much I value my no autopilot turboprop experience-
I never agreed with what my 1900 carrier paid, much less lakes- but it's a lot better than having pilots jump right into a -900 out of flight school.

Am I wrong that I think that's better than big regionals where you make a little more, but are poaching mainline jobs at the same time?

 

[waveflyer]

When anyone brings up post numbers, they have lost the debate, they know they have lost. Look, your union made a bad deal, and it will come back to haunt you. No wonder you avoided arbitration. Shameful. First step in a merger is to equalize pay on same size equipment. Otherwise, it's outsourcing. And, you know it....



Bye Bye---General Lee

No GL, I haven't lost the debate- I never engaged in it- bc we've had both of those conversations before- many hundreds of times with you. They're dumb arguments, so why engage. But that doesn't mean we didn't understand so you should just post again. It means the comment was dumb.

Now would you like to comment on the new 1500 hour rule?
Good? Bad? Appropriate?

It doesn't seem right that a military pilot can fly heavies with a few hundred hours, but not a civilian. But I like the pressure it puts on regionals.

 

[pilotyip]

It doesn't seem right that a military pilot can fly heavies with a few hundred hours, but not a civilian.

Take a USAF guy the only think he has flown most likely is MEL TJ. What have most civies flown at 700 hours, SEL piston? Plus the screening and elimination process far exceeds of just about any civilian school requirements, like writing the equivenet of a 29 ACT.