New 1500 hour rule first affected

[Flopgut]

Be careful for what you wish for, however--are you sure Unical wants even more international LCC competition out of the Houston area? That might further bite into your monopoly on Houston international flying.

Bubba

Even in reading the link you provided in support of your argument that UAL "selected" SWA get the EWR slots, I read it as saying that other airlines were possible, but the only immediate "yes" was give the slots to SWA. IF you think you're right, then why even make the above accusation? Obviously we feel we can compete with you. We want to compete with you. We believe we would do well competing directly with you. IAH is about as vibrant as a marketplace gets. All manner of airlines are here. You've been at Hobby since day 1 and haven't made much of an impact. What needs to be acknowledged is the final agreement you signed at Love and the fact that you want to exploit a thoroughly well developed fair market at IAH. Not only to avoid spoiling IAH, but so you don't go shopping for another below average mayor and misguided airport authority.

Btw: Are you aware of how much money Interjet and Volaris have raised? That Mexicana is being resurrected? These airlines want to grow. Do you think that they are going to agree to you having unfettered access to Mexico while they make do with a single gate?


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[waveflyer]

Are you dumb flop?

Have you ever been to hobby?

Intercontinental is dominated by Lcal - dominated.

It works bc you need all that space to work your hub and spoke - and widebodies need that space to fly their huge building sized planes into-
But it's a hike to get out there-
What is it? Best case- 45, 50 minutes to downtown- much less points south where so much development is

Locals want hobby and there is nothing wrong with that in a free economy. And we don't need the space and runway sizes of IAH with our 737 based hybrid system-

Your argument borders on ridiculous. Of all things GK isn't a bad businessman. If we need more gates bc we aren't getting business done- then I imagine we'll work on getting more gates.

You just want to keep your cash cow up in IAH- but remember, you don't want to compete with us in hobby either

 

[Flopgut]

You just want to keep your cash cow up in IAH- but remember, you don't want to compete with us in hobby either

We don't? I seem to remember competing with you at Hobby.

Locals want Hobby?! No. Not quite. Lived there 9 years and have been based there twice that long. Locals know SWA has not been even an average corporate citizen. (Despite being the first of three cities you served) They want the 10,000 jobs and the 1.6 billion dollar boost to the Houston economy you promised. Like any big city they need jobs, but most won't be surprised when you don't deliver.

And I have no idea what growth you're talking about South of town?! Exxon is consolidating world headquarters in the Woodlands (just North of IAH).


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[Flopgut]

Wave: you can't tell me it's not SWA's plan to see all the competing airlines forced to IAH and SWA have complete control of international flights from Hobby. I don't know if you'll work some crooked deal with the mayor, or get a price of trash legislation passed but that is very much the SWA plan. It would not be right that more United [former CAL] employees get hurt in that scenario. Not after Love Field, or after we've seen SWA fail to flourish in the IAH market. There are a lot of hard working Houstonians that deserve better than to watch you guys escape a level playing field. Yeah, we have a big hub at IAH. We have the hard work to show for it. It was not given to us.


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[redflyer65]

Like any big city they need jobs, but most won't be surprised when you don't deliver.



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Man that's rich. Wait a minute while I get my insulin.


You mean similar like United? Talk about pulling the rug out from under the city. Send the Corporate Offices to Chicago. How many jobs was that?

Then, to add insult to injury...

Your CEO doesn't even show up to the City Council meetings and threatens to pull jobs out if the SW expansion is approved.

then,

within about one minute of the approval, Smisek cuts 1000 workers...instantly. I hate to tell you, but he had the letter ready to go and signed before he headed out of the office for a round of golf. It didn't matter what the city council did, he didn't care. I'm sure Houston is loving them some United right now.

Wow.

 

[Flopgut]

Ok, so all that, the actions of one CEO, means you ought to get away with whatever you want? You need to spend some time as Houston's largest employer before you pop off maybe...


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[HowardBorden]

Locals want Hobby?! No. Not quite. Lived there 9 years and have been based there twice that long. Locals know SWA has not been even an average corporate citizen.

Swing and a miss TWICE!

The straw poll, conducted at TOP’s community meeting on May 6, found that 79 percent of the nearly 100 attendees support the expansion, while 9 percent were opposed and 12 percent undecided. Separately, TOP said it spoke informally to 400 residents near Hobby Airport, with 386 in favor of the expansion.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2012/05/08/poll-finds-majority-of-nearby.html

That’s why I couldn’t be more proud to share that Corporate Responsibility Magazine recognized Southwest Airlines in their 14th annual list of 100 Best Corporate Citizens in the world! Not only are we excited to receive this recognition, but we are the only commercial airline to be honored as a leader in the commitment to transparency and responsible business practices.

http://3blmedia.com/News/CSR/CR-Mag...est-Airlines-100-Best-Corporate-Citizens-List

 

[redflyer65]

Ok, so all that, the actions of one CEO, means you ought to get away with whatever you want? You need to spend some time as Houston's largest employer before you pop off maybe...


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So it's okay for you to talk about what Gary Kelly and Southwest are doing, but it's not the same with your company and your CEO?

Got it.

It's obvious to people in Houston that your company, in the end, doesn't care about them. Blog after blog talks about the poor customer service since the merger. You can continue to live in your fantasyland.

 

[outerlimits]

Ok, so all that, the actions of one CEO, means you ought to get away with whatever you want? You need to spend some time as Houston's largest employer before you pop off maybe...


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Will UAL. Still be the largest employer in Houston when HQ. is in Chicago ?

Just asking

 

[redflyer65]

No it won't. They were number two to begin with, and only then barely. I'd say they'd probably drop below number five with the HQ heading to Chicago and the reduction in line workers.



Houston’s Largest Employers


Home>Job Opportunities & Hiring Trends>Houston’s Largest Employers
1. Memorial Hermann Healthcare System*
19,500 employees
2. Continental Airlines, Inc.*
16,000 employees
3. The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center*
15,000 employees
4. ExxonMobil*
13,000 employees
5. Shell Oil Company*
13,000 employees

 

[slaquer5]

No it won't. They were number two to begin with, and only then barely. I'd say they'd probably drop below number five with the HQ heading to Chicago and the reduction in line workers.



Houston’s Largest Employers


Home>Job Opportunities & Hiring Trends>Houston’s Largest Employers
1. Memorial Hermann Healthcare System*
19,500 employees
2. Continental Airlines, Inc.*
16,000 employees
3. The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center*
15,000 employees
4. ExxonMobil*
13,000 employees
5. Shell Oil Company*
13,000 employees

Red

Either you and your chart is wrong, or everything flop has been saying is made up figures and numbers.


It can't go both ways.


So who is correct?


PS. Flop please do not say this is the only figure that you lied about ,. It is the only one that was asked about .

That makes you 100% on the fibbing and doctoring up your figures .

 

[redflyer65]

It was a simple cut and paste. I like hard facts, not opinion and speculation like Flop and GL.

 

[Flopgut]

Red

Either you and your chart is wrong, or everything flop has been saying is made up figures and numbers.


It can't go both ways.


So who is correct?


PS. Flop please do not say this is the only figure that you lied about ,. It is the only one that was asked about .

That makes you 100% on the fibbing and doctoring up your figures .

I covered myself guys. Read it carefully, I indicated we had been Houston's largest employer. Link:

http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releas...eadquarters-to-downtown-houston-75195142.html

Btw Number two in a city like Houston is still a pretty big deal.

 

[scoreboardII]

Jobs and scope. Continental employees worked very hard to protect both. Every time SWA is excused from the rules or gets a handout, the effects get taken out us. I could understand if we were losing ground to SWA on a level playing field, but that is not the case. You can not beat us on a level playing field. Houston is a perfect example. We've been over this.

Common sense?! Where is the common sense in having two FIS in Houston? In building a 55 million dollar parking garage when you guys claim credit for building the "entire project?" (That's a full third of the entire cost). And where is common sense in the snake oil claims SWA made to get this done? 1.6 billion boost to Houston economy, 10,000 jobs (convenient number), and a $130 dollar ticket to Bogota!? Common sense would be to shut this down ASAP. You got this snuck by because one weak mayor felt snubbed.

I want one of you SWA guys to try to explain to me how you imagine you deserve space be made for you at the airports you want to fly to? Take San Salvador for instance. There is no gate space; It's maxed out. You believe you deserve to be shoehorned in and then turn around and tell TACA to build their own terminal if they want a fair shot at Hobby?

Nobody deserves space. You get it through negotiations, you know, like the ones UCAL failed at during the city council meetings.

Ucal worked very hard to protect scope and jobs? YGBFSM. How many mainline flights are accomplished by RJ subcontractors? United express has over 500 aircraft, that's almost 30% outsourcing to subcontractors. Some scope and job protection right there.

 

[scoreboardII]

I covered myself guys. Read it carefully, I indicated we had been Houston's largest employer. Link:

http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releas...eadquarters-to-downtown-houston-75195142.html

Btw Number two in a city like Houston is still a pretty big deal.

This isn't news, all they are doing is going from what they have to fewer buildings in the downtown area.

 

[Whine Lover]

What a bunch of Dinks.

 

[Flopgut]

Im outta this thread. SLI tomorrow... So I'll have plenty of new problems. Revisiting this brought me up to speed on this thing more. Terminal costs have gone up for SWA. And SWA only has preferential scheduling and no rent on the four gates. Others can use them. Volaris and Interjet have raised a buttload of money and have bargain basement CASM. So it will be interesting to see how it goes when SWA opens a main artery to the network. IAH might look like it was a better choice in a few years.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Im outta this thread. SLI tomorrow... So I'll have plenty of new problems. Revisiting this brought me up to speed on this thing more. Terminal costs have gone up for SWA. And SWA only has preferential scheduling and no rent on the four gates. Others can use them. Volaris and Interjet have raised a buttload of money and have bargain basement CASM. So it will be interesting to see how it goes when SWA opens a main artery to the network. IAH might look like it was a better choice in a few years.

Flop, you appear to have the same selective memory as General Lee. IAH will NEVER be a better choice than Hobby for Southwest. Never. Remember being told numerous times? All of our passengers are at Hobby. That's why we wanted to do our international flying out of Hobby in the first place....and exactly why Unical tried to keep us from doing it--to prevent us from competing with them on a level playing field.

Bubba

 

[General Lee]

Flopgut,

Bubba doesn't realize that Hobby's shorter runways limit SWA on where they can fly and the size of plane. But, Bubba don't care, Bubba mainly likes Corpus and Little Rock turns! He is all over those! Good for him!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Once again another "brilliant" empty of content tired response from Jenny! Putz!

 

[Flopgut]

Flopgut,

Bubba doesn't realize that Hobby's shorter runways limit SWA on where they can fly and the size of plane. But, Bubba don't care, Bubba mainly likes Corpus and Little Rock turns! He is all over those! Good for him!


Bye Bye---General Lee

I don't feel like giving up on the guy. I'm fluent in bubbanese, but SWA is a real tricky dialect. The phrases "fair market" and "level playing field" have vastly different meanings if you're speaking to them.

 

[Flopgut]

Flop, you appear to have the same selective memory as General Lee. IAH will NEVER be a better choice than Hobby for Southwest. Never. Remember being told numerous times? All of our passengers are at Hobby. That's why we wanted to do our international flying out of Hobby in the first place....and exactly why Unical tried to keep us from doing it--to prevent us from competing with them on a level playing field.

Closing thought Bubba cause I got to bail. IAH just got two new airlines, Air China and Turkish. HAS [Houston Airport Authority] works really hard to get new service. What I've come to realize in the last week or so is that it appears HAS is going to work equally hard to get lots of new entrants into Hobby as well. SWA is paying for the terminal in exchange for free rent and preferential scheduling on 4of 5 gates, but does not *own* the terminal. As long as HAS works equally hard to get new foreign airlines into Hobby as it does into IAH and is successful, there is no problem. I won't name them, but I can think of at least a half a dozen that will probably want to link up with your domestic customer. What the United/Continental opposition wants to avoid first most is another Love Field situation where SWA could keep fair competition off the airport. And in the most recent comments made by HAS, it seems clear the goal is to make sure SWA has a lot of company at Hobby. They don't want another Love Field either. Not even the illusion of another Love Field. I maybe didn't give the Mayor and HAS enough credit. Seems they might understand exactly what your up to, and while they're happy to take your money, they are not going to make things easy. Good luck.

 

[redflyer65]

Flop,

I give you a lot of credit for looking at the whole deal. It takes some real honesty to step and make a post like this on FI. Well done.

Major difference from someone like the Genital, who will never admit he's wrong and constantly acts like he's the expert on every aviation subject (which is so far from the truth)...when most of the time he has his fact wrong(and tries to insert opinion for facts) and then can't debate the real issues. Over and over.

 

[General Lee]

Flop,

I give you a lot of credit for looking at the whole deal. It takes some real honesty to step and make a post like this on FI. Well done.

Major difference from someone like the Genital, who will never admit he's wrong and constantly acts like he's the expert on every aviation subject (which is so far from the truth)...when most of the time he has his fact wrong(and tries to insert opinion for facts) and then can't debate the real issues. Over and over.

Red,

The problem with you is that you think you are smarter than you actually are. I always bring up points that I can back with facts. We all know the SLI merger between your two companies was F'd up. We all know the majority of your trips at your airline have multiple leg days (high time productive). We know you will fly one airplane type for the rest of your career. We know that most of your pilots had to PAY for your type rating in order to get a class. We know GK wants to bring your airline back to LCC status. We know you barfed a quesadilla at LBB. We all know these things. It's easy to debate you, just use the facts.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[flyboyike]

I always bring up points that I can back with facts.

No, sir, you do not. Which makes you no different from every other pilot out there, myself included.

 

[General Lee]

No, sir, you do not. Which makes you no different from every other pilot out there, myself included.

Well, anyone can question my use of the facts, and I'd be happy to debate them. That is called a forum. Just because I seem to come up with practical answers that make sense, some people get frustrated. Again, feel free to debate anything, I am ready and I'll respond when I am not flying. What makes me different is I can debate multiple issues at once, because I have a better understanding of the industry as a whole than most on here. I am well informed.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Red,

The problem with you is that you think you are smarter than you actually are. I always bring up points that I can back with facts. We all know the SLI merger between your two companies was F'd up. We all know the majority of your trips at your airline have multiple leg days (high time productive). We know you will fly one airplane type for the rest of your career. We know that most of your pilots had to PAY for your type rating in order to get a class. We know GK wants to bring your airline back to LCC status. We know you barfed a quesadilla at LBB. We all know these things. It's easy to debate you, just use the facts.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Dude, I have to say......that is F'ing hilarious!




Let me add..

WE ALL KNOW your a complete D-BAG. Thanks for the Tuesday evening laugh. Actually I'll be laughing all week long with this one. Talk about losing!






Here's a couple of facts that you continue to struggle with...

1 -Southwest has ZERO RJ's. Delta? More than 800.

2 -Southwest has ZERO codeshare. Delta? How many JV's and codeshare with 'Connection Carriers'? At least 20.

3 -Southwest has less than 3 Billion in debt with more than 3 Billion in cash.
Delta? Over 26 BILLION in debt. That's billion with a 'B'.

4 -Southwest 40 years of profits, year in and year out.
Delta? Bankruptcy and furloughs.

Southwest is only a domestic carrier with world growth ahead.
Delta? Covers the globe with no growth on the horizon, except for more JV's! Enjoy.

Oh, and as far as LBB and MAF, we make money there. Apparently you can't (that's why your aren't there) Oh, and even your Connection carrier pulled out. I'd fly into Goodland Kansas if we would make money. Why would it matter? Money is money and we continue to make it.....year after year after year. Delta? Not so much.

 

[General Lee]

Dude, I have to say......that is F'ing hilarious!




Let me add..

WE ALL KNOW your a complete D-BAG. Thanks for the Tuesday evening laugh. Actually I'll be laughing all week long with this one. Talk about losing!






Here's a couple of facts that you continue to struggle with...

1 -Southwest has ZERO RJ's. Delta? More than 800.

2 -Southwest has ZERO codeshare. Delta? How many JV's and codeshare with 'Connection Carriers'? At least 20.

3 -Southwest has less than 3 Billion in debt with more than 3 Billion in cash.
Delta? Over 26 BILLION in debt. That's billion with a 'B'.

4 -Southwest 40 years of profits, year in and year out.
Delta? Bankruptcy and furloughs.

Southwest is only a domestic carrier with world growth ahead.
Delta? Covers the globe with no growth on the horizon, except for more JV's! Enjoy.

Oh, and as far as LBB and MAF, we make money there. Apparently you can't (that's why your aren't there) Oh, and even your Connection carrier pulled out. I'd fly into Goodland Kansas if we would make money. Why would it matter? Money is money and we continue to make it.....year after year after year. Delta? Not so much.

Hillarious! 800 RJs? Really? Are you sure about that number? 215 50 seaters will be parked and the overall total will be pared down to 125 within the next 3 years. So, will there be 675 70/76 seaters? Nope. Wrong!

And $26 billion in debt? Long term debt will be whittled from $19 billion to $7 billion, (it's currently at $10 billion and dropping) and the pension liability fluctuates according to the stock market, and a certain big wig stated it would be paid off thanks to unbelievable profits forecasted. Your boss is looking for LCC status again, so the only ones with debts at your airline will be pilots who bought houses too big after pay concessions coming up.

You pointed out JVs and codeshares. Guess what Red? You can't fly within China and take people out. You need a codeshare to bring their domestic passengers to cities DL can fly to, to then take them out and to the US. You didn't know that? You thought DL could fly within other countries and take passengers? Wow, you are so misinformed. JVs have promise when complied with, because it can guarantee a flying percentage and allow you access to INTL airports that normally wouldn't be available. You do know Korean just cancelled 95 city pairs with DL codeshares, right? Ah, You fly for the Corndog, so you have no idea about that anyway. Heck, your pilots can't even fly INTL flights yet, instead giving it to more knowledgeable AT pilots. You're still trying to figure out VNAV and autothrottles.

With so little debt, why would your boss be asking for concessions? He's gonna do it, you know that. How many planes do you have coming? Isn't that debt? How many old 733s and 735s do you need to replace? Doesn't that add to debt? I know you still have bag fees at AT to pay for that merger, and the AT guys really appreciate the separate 737 payrates???

40 years of profits? What happened early this year and last year? The legacies make hundreds of millions, or BILLIONS. I guess you made "peanuts"....and why is your boss so nervous? He seems like he may want to figure out that LCC model again....yikes.

No INTL growth for DL? Just announced nonstop DL mainline from SEA to Heathrow, Hong Kong, and Seoul. An additional flight from ATL to São Paulo. Yeah, zero INTL growth.... You still can't fly anywhere INTL because your side can't handle it? AT guys can...and they are paid less on the 737???? Why?

How do you know you make money flying to LBB and MAF? You said you never go there....liar! Gotcha Red. You lose, again!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Okay General I'll take it line by line so you can't hide. Here we go...

Hillarious! 800 RJs? Really? Are you sure about that number? 215 50 seaters will be parked and the overall total will be pared down to 125 within the next 3 years. So, will there be 675 70/76 seaters? Nope. Wrong!

Yes, you have at least 800 RJ's flying for you. Recently it was close to 1,000. So I'm being generous. You have so much outsourcing spread through so many Delta Connection Carriers that it's hard to keep up. But at LEAST 800. And I'm being kind. Think of it this way....around 50% of all your domestic flying is.....wait for it......on an RJ. NOT mainline. These are the facts....not some opinion you'd like to be fact.

And $26 billion in debt? Long term debt will be whittled from $19 billion to $7 billion, (it's currently at $10 billion and dropping) and the pension liability fluctuates according to the stock market, and a certain big wig stated it would be paid off thanks to unbelievable profits forecasted. Your boss is looking for LCC status again, so the only ones with debts at your airline will be pilots who bought houses too big after pay concessions coming up.

Okay. Looks like you're trying to make a point about your debt, then trying to throw mud and see what sticks at SW.

26 BILLION is the latest number, and it was lower than that recently...then went back up to 26 B. That's with a big 'B'. I hope you can dig your way out of that one. Very similar to the General Motors bankruptcy...they came out with a ton of debt as well. It's a HUGE drag on the bottom line. Far from a clean balance sheet.

About our boss....you really think you have a clue what Gary Kelly wants? Really? Some d-bag at Delta thinks he knows. You have a hotline to Gary that we don't know about? Here's the facts....YOU HAVE KNOW CLUE so you sling sh!t hoping it sticks. It doesn't, so I call it complete BS.

You pointed out JVs and codeshares. Guess what Red? You can't fly within China and take people out. You need a codeshare to bring their domestic passengers to cities DL can fly to, to then take them out and to the US. You didn't know that? You thought DL could fly within other countries and take passengers? Wow, you are so misinformed. JVs have promise when complied with, because it can guarantee a flying percentage and allow you access to INTL airports that normally wouldn't be available. You do know Korean just cancelled 95 city pairs with DL codeshares, right? Ah, You fly for the Corndog, so you have no idea about that anyway. Heck, your pilots can't even fly INTL flights yet, instead giving it to more knowledgeable AT pilots. You're still trying to figure out VNAV and autothrottles.

Here we are again with a mix of defending Delta and trying to sling poo. Your specialty apparently.

I realize that Delta can't fly within certain cities, but from recent history your CEO LUVS the joint venture (see what I did there, pretty good right). Just like the recent 49% purchase of Virgin, Richard is stretching his wings into more JVs.....while you sit there and watch.

Ok, the poo. VNAV and Autothrottles? That's your insult? We've been doing it for around 2 years now. I think we've got it Gen. We have full up RNAV/GPS approaches available to us every day...on 3500 flights daily. So your poo didn't stick on that one either. Sorry.

With so little debt, why would your boss be asking for concessions? He's gonna do it, you know that. How many planes do you have coming? Isn't that debt? How many old 733s and 735s do you need to replace? Doesn't that add to debt? I know you still have bag fees at AT to pay for that merger, and the AT guys really appreciate the separate 737 payrates???

Ahhhh, your wrong again because you don't know any of the details....as usual. Our boss isn't asking for concessions at all. He's asking to keep cost flat. Isn't that what CEO's are supposed to do? Really just doing his job. I think will see some small improvements in the areas we want. NO concessions. That isn't even part of the discussion. So you're WAY off base here.

Add to the debt? Funny again. We OWN outright most of our planes. To the tune of 80% which is unheard of in the industry. What does AirTran charging for bag fees have to do with the Southwest side of the operation? You know it's two different cost structures, right? I know you do, because SWA Bubba has explained it to you about a dozen time. I'll just refer you to his post instead of stating the facts AGAIN for the THIRTEENTH time. Listen up next time! Payrates are the same as the bag fee BS you try to throw. Again, listen up and take notes if needed.

40 years of profits? What happened early this year and last year? The legacies make hundreds of millions, or BILLIONS. I guess you made "peanuts"....and why is your boss so nervous? He seems like he may want to figure out that LCC model again....yikes.

Again, yes 40 years of profits every year consecutively. (Something you can't even come close to saying)Again, you act like this is something new, it's not, it's 40 years running with 41 and 42 right behind them. Our boss isn't nervous (he's making profits!). We've made smaller profits that Delta because.........wait for it again.......we are a smaller company. As Max pointed out, we make more on a % basis than Delta does. Hard to believe isn't it?

No INTL growth for DL? Just announced nonstop DL mainline from SEA to Heathrow, Hong Kong, and Seoul. An additional flight from ATL to São Paulo. Yeah, zero INTL growth.... You still can't fly anywhere INTL because your side can't handle it? AT guys can...and they are paid less on the 737???? Why?

Delta is growing by FOUR flights? That's your argument? You should stick with the 'I banged your Mom jokes', because that accounts for what.....0.00015% growth for the flying Delta does. Fail General. What flights have you scrubbed? Forgot to add that didn't you? Get back to me on that, please.

SW and international? Wrong again General. Our pilots and planes are fully capable to go NOW. We have been working to get the Reservation system in place. That will be here JULY 2014. All of 10 months away. You'll probably see international destinations on the SW side within the next schedule. Need me to send you a reminder when that happens? Sure you would. I'll do it.

How do you know you make money flying to LBB and MAF? You said you never go there....liar! Gotcha Red. You lose, again!

I knew you couldn't leave out Lubbock! We make money there because we fly there. Not like Delta where they have to outsource a thousand planes because your (mainline) cost are too high to make it work. Talk about losing again.

Gothca? I haven't been there in years, but I'm glad to go when my company needs me too because......wait for it again......we make money there and you can't. I know that because not only is Delta Mainline not there, but neither is Connection......and that's sad. So you keep ripping on LBB and MAF, and we'll keep carrying those passengers at a profit. The profit that your company passes up because your too expensive, you know the friction of 12 fleet types strikes again. Thanks Gen!



You tried to make SEVEN points and you were wrong on all SEVEN. Amazing. Maybe you should stick to the 'WE ALL KNOW' bullsh!t.

That's was f'ing hilarious.

 

[General Lee]

Wow Red, you wrote in Red.....Amazing! Does that make your points correct? Nope.


There are not 1000 RJs. Comair is gone, ASA lost many 50 seaters for the DL side, Mesaba was chopped in half, and 215 more 50 seaters will leave in 3 years, while 70 come over, for a net total loss of 140 more RJs. 1000? Way off.

You like to throw in pension liabilities, which are a moving number. The long term debt is not, and that has been reduced by $9 billion in 4 years, with $3 billion more by next year. That is unbelievable, and the pension liability is in reach after the long term debt is taken care of. DL had a $500 million profit in July alone. That is equivalent to 3 of your quarters. No debt will last long if you can generate that much profit that fast.

What is your boss thinking? Well, here is part of an article from Businessweek last year:

"Southwest’s expenses grew by almost 13 percent through the first nine months of this year, outpacing a 12 percent rise in sales. Holding down costs is central to the Dallas-based airline’s business plan because it allows Southwest to remain profitable while offering lower fares that win customers.
“We’ll be very aggressive with our cost controls next year,” Kelly said. “It’s a reflection of concerns about high fuel prices and economic uncertainty.”


All I hear from the legacy CEOs is how great things are going, RASM is up. You lost your fuel hedge advantage, and pricing power. It ain't that great for you compared to the old days.....

It appears you still don't understand JVs. Do you see what DL gains with the 49% of Virgin Atlantic? They get to use slots at Heathrow DL couldn't buy themselves, and set up competition for lucrative corporate contracts for the most lucrative route in the World---NYC to London. Without the JV, DL would have 3 flights, with it equals 10 daily, to fight AA/BA's 12. That is huge. You have no idea because you have a "West Texas is best" mentality. Is that slinging poo? It's accurate. Do you have any idea how expensive one slot at Heathrow is? No, you probably don't. Here's a hint: it's more than your airline makes in profit in one quarter. And did you say your boss ISN'T nervous? Read the above again. Trimming head counts, cutting costs, etc. Sounds like he may be.

So, 4 INTL flights isn't expansion? How about adding 88 717s in 3 years? Thanks to you and $120 million, those 717s will add a lot of mainline flights back. Ever heard of hiring? You won't for many years, but looks like DL will start again, and likely won't stop for years. Not only are 717s coming, but 737-900ERs, MD90s, and apparently some of the 757s slated to go may not, instead getting overhauled. That means hiring and upgrades. Hey, what about retirements over there? Any significant retirements over the next decade? Nope. 4000 in 5 years over at DL(2020-2024, and probably 300 a year up until then, and those numbers are retiring at age 65). Sounds like stagnation is the word of the day for you.

12 fleet types is bad? It made $500 million in one month. Sounds like right sizing planes on routes. It sure is making big bucks, you should look into it....


And LBB and MAF are a part of your history. You started as a small intra Texas airline. Don't be embarrassed. You avoid those cities for some reason? Wow. I didn't mean to make you avoid those cities. Maybe you want to go there. Good. I don't. Enjoy it Red.


Bye Bye---General Lee