Alaska contract

[igneousy2]

The other airlines have had weak scope and look at what happened. Imagine what would have happened if there were NO scope. The scheduling section of our contract does not prevent them from violating the scheduling section of our contract...therefore we should have no scheduling section of our contract. Really? It's a wonder some of these guys can
Make it to work at all...and eat dinner in a public place without drueling all over themselves.

Don Carty (AA CEO) back in the day said in no uncertain terms that his vision for AMR was to have Eagle flying 100% of the domestic NB and have AA mainline flying only WB international. Too bad AA's scope got in the way.

I may have been more sympathetic to the argument 10 years ago, but the big 3 have started to put that horse back in the barn and the big 3 will be flying the 100 seat RJs when they come online.

Pathetic.

 

[igneousy2]

Pay is fine. SCOPE!!!

You almost made me puke. How do you figure it's okay to be the lowest paid 737 pilots in 5 years while we work for the most profitable company? Behind companies that were bankrupt just a few years ago. If someone young enough to be on the Internet feels like this...we are truly hosed.


Neither pay nor scope is near anything they need to be.

 

[BarbrPole2theOM]

What prevents Alaska from contracting Delta or someone else from flying 10 shinny new wide bodies for Alaska. Nothing, and it would be more profitable then having to train, pilots/mechanics/fa's for a small fleet.....

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[AKMD80GUY]

You almost made me puke. How do you figure it's okay to be the lowest paid 737 pilots in 5 years while we work for the most profitable company? Behind companies that were bankrupt just a few years ago. If someone young enough to be on the Internet feels like this...we are truly hosed.


Neither pay nor scope is near anything they need to be.

I chose my words poorly. My intent is that I can live with the pay but scope is a must!

 

[Snapshot]

This isn't an Alaska Contract. It's a Skywest Contract.
Make no mistake. This gives away the store and they've got the planes all fired up and ready to go.

 

[tico]

How does the "tax deferred savings plan" that replaced the pension work when the IRS lowers the contribution rate to 6.5% and caps the total at 8.5% as they are maneuvering to do right now. Does the contract contain an alternate method to maintain the same dollar figure

 

[tico]

Since most FO's have no pension, what "total package" would they be comparing. Are they not on the same program as the big 4....time for them to mutiny, cut the captains loose and take what is rightfully their's

 

[kingair1]

This isn't an Alaska Contract. It's a Skywest Contract.
Make no mistake. This gives away the store and they've got the planes all fired up and ready to go.

I talked to a friend at SkyWest and says that they got some CRJ-900's they were sub-leasing to a Vietnam airline that are coming back. SkyWest is in talks with Alaska to fly those 900's.

Scope please !

 

[Snapshot]

CRJ-900, EMB-175, Mitsubishi whatever.

They've got HUNDREDS of Scope Busting airframes in the pipe and their foot in the door. More airframes than YOU have. Think about it.

Storm clouds are gathering, will you be smart enough to open your umbrella?

The scope language should say "No business with Skywest".

 

[Old School 737]

Anybody else having a hard time getting it to down load into iBook or good reader ... Is it 2 big ? The new ALPA server is asking for creds? I already put them in before? And the password doesn't work now ?. ALPA dam you!

 

[Old School 737]

CRJ-900, EMB-175, Mitsubishi whatever.

They've got HUNDREDS of Scope Busting airframes in the pipe and their foot in the door. More airframes than YOU have. Think about it.

Storm clouds are gathering, will you be smart enough to open your umbrella?

The scope language should say "No business with Skywest".

Well we need specific seat / airplane size requirements ... Not just this or that company .. Cause next week xto enterprise airlines will start up and...

 

[Snapshot]

Well we need specific seat / airplane size requirements ... Not just this or that company .. Cause next week xto enterprise airlines will start up and...

Of course. I'm just trying to get the point across that the deal is already done with Skywest. Ink is dry.
The second a contract that doesn't stop it is signed, they will take all of your flying.

If they want RJ's. Fine. They can pay YOU to drive them.

 

[Old School 737]

Of course. I'm just trying to get the point across that the deal is already done with Skywest. Ink is dry.
The second a contract that doesn't stop it is signed, they will take all of your flying.

If they want RJ's. Fine. They can pay YOU to drive them.

I hear ya but .. We have nothing stoping it now ... So they can do it yesterday if they want ..

 

[Singlecoil]

So I'm a little baffled by the argument that our pay should be equivalent to 737 pay at American or Delta, or United. When a pilot retires at those airlines, that triggers how many training events? 6? 8? 10? When a pilot at Alaska retires, that triggers a brief upgrade training and a new hire training. What is the cost savings to Alaska for having a single fleet type with regards to pilot training? It is huge. Millions of dollars.
Is there any cost associated with having a single fleet type and who bears it? Let's see. A Delta or United or American pilot can choose to bid down to the lowly 737 and enjoy super seniority, but that pilot pays a price in pay. He or she trades pay for seniority.
At Alaska or Southwest, pilots don't have that option. You are stuck on that airframe and at that pay rate and the company reaps all the benefits of having a single fleet type.
For that reason, airlines with a single fleet type should expect to pay, and their pilots should demand, the highest pay in the industry for that equipment.
Delta management should be able to look at their pilots and say, "Well, you're not going to get Alaska pay on the 737 because that's the only airplane they have and their training costs are a fraction of ours."

 

[flythere]

I've read that scope language at least 8 or 10 times now. Can anyone tell me what scope protection that verbiage provides?