Alaska contract

[Snapshot]

Good to know, I agree. While all parts of the contract are important to consider, I'd rather have scope than a 200% pay increase and no scope. I've seen too many people get completely screwed. Ask DHL pilots...

Or United Pilots, or Delta Pilots, or Northwest Pilots, or TWA Pilots.........
But it wont happen to Alaska pilots, right guys? Right? This time it'll be different.

How many times does the scenario have to play out before people learn? They've shown their hand, and there is absolutely no question what their intentions are. Didn't you used to fly to Reno and Long Beach? If you let them do it, you've got nobody to blame but yourselves.

Seeing how the left seat could be years off, I'm not sure an extra $800 take home a month for the next five years is going to help out tremendously.

It will help out tremendously to the SkyWest pilots they want to give it to.

Pay rate only matters to the people actually doing the work.

 

[fam62c]

So when does this thing see the light of day?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Sounds like we got good scope language.

 

[Singlecoil]

Sounds like we got a good scope bullet point.

Fixed it for ya. I hope you're right, but the language hasn't been written yet.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Fixed it for ya. I hope you're right, but the language hasn't been written yet.

LOL. That's right.

How does these things go?

Bullet Point->AIC->TA->Roadshow->Vote->Colon to Period Conversion

It sounds like our Scope Bullet Points grew more than our Wage Bullet Points.

EDIT: Somewhere in the steps is the 86% passage where no one voted for it.

 

[Chief Pilot]

Rumor only .. 11 , 4 ,4,4,4, guess well see in a few weeks

This is the only increase schedule that I would consider. Additionally, it needs to be coupled with a significant improvement to scope language. Anything less and it's a NO vote from me. Yes, yes...I will look at the contract in it's entirety, which means I better not see a bunch of concessions in other sections as well. We, as a whole, need to be asking ourselves why management is so quick and willing to sign this. Is it because it benefits them greatly and is essentially "cost neutral", or is it because they are suddenly willing to include the pilots in their financial success. Usually the most obvious answer is the correct one.

 

[Singlecoil]

11,4,4,4,4 is concessionary.

Let me ask you this: When you take a 124 seat 737-700 and replace it with a 181 seat 737-900ER, for a 46% increase in seats, how much of a raise would you have to give to the pilots to be budget neutral as far as crew cost per seat mile? 18%? 20% More? That much would be budget neutral. Anything less is a decrease in crew costs from the company's perspective.

 

[Boxboy]

11,4,4,4,4 is concessionary.

Let me ask you this: When you take a 124 seat 737-700 and replace it with a 181 seat 737-900ER, for a 46% increase in seats, how much of a raise would you have to give to the pilots to be budget neutral as far as crew cost per seat mile? 18%? 20% More? That much would be budget neutral. Anything less is a decrease in crew costs from the company's perspective.

True dat botha! I can't get past the "11" myself and that's just the pay rate portion of this agreement. Let's look at it from another perspective. Had we stayed with the Kasher rate of $152/hr back in '05, assuming we only got cost of living of 3%/year (average Federal gov't), our captain's rate today would be $192.55/hour. Many have been beaten down to think like the way the company wants us to think... "market based wages". Truly sad. Yeah, let's take a look at the whole package and decide for ourselves.

 

[Mamma]

I don't see the company going for 11,4,4,4,4. Thats:

Capt: FO:
$202.02 $135.42
$210.10 $140.83
$218.50 $146.47
$227.25 $152.33
$236.33 $158.42

They will never agree to being first in pay.

 

[Old School 737]

But were number 1 in all the other stats !! On time...cust sat ! ...Etc!!