Alaska contract

[Ocity]

If we ratify this pos, its our own fault. I don't blame the company at all, I blame our MEC for putting us in this position. The career damage from this will not be recoverable. We shoot it down, team up with the very pissed off flight attendants, and MAKE THEM PAY THEIR FLIGHT CREWS WHAT WE'RE WORTH!

1.8 billion in cash and years of record profits. It's now or NEVER.

 

[Boxboy]

If we don't get scope the rest of the contract better be AMAZING !! and it's not ... Record profits .. And we had guys on the street during that time ... WTF over ..,

Exactly! No need to sugar coat a good TA, only the bad ones.

 

[Moosemunch]

You guys are exactly right.. Alaska management has a plan in mind. They have been very tight lipped about their exact growth plans by design. I think if this contract passes, there will be an announcement of some type. It may be growth using Skywest or another affiliate as contracted expansion or something with Delta. Regardless, without any real scope in place, the moves Alaska makes is going to be away from mainline, further reducing their costs and finding efficiencies with other operators. If this TA passes, it's going to be a disaster..

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

If they want so badly to grow by regional, then why not have a regional-to-mainline ratio in the contract?

If growth is sooo important that it needs to be in the preamble, then enshrine it in the actual sections.

And don't tell me that scope is "in there" because it's in the preamble.

 

[CGHercster]

Just like last time

You guys are exactly right.. Alaska management has a plan in mind. They have been very tight lipped about their exact growth plans by design. I think if this contract passes, there will be an announcement of some type. It may be growth using Skywest or another affiliate as contracted expansion or something with Delta. Regardless, without any real scope in place, the moves Alaska makes is going to be away from mainline, further reducing their costs and finding efficiencies with other operators. If this TA passes, it's going to be a disaster..

Who was surprised when they announced furloughs 2 weeks after the last POC TA was approved? No surprise. Just be happy being a career FO...

 

[Boxboy]

Who was surprised when they announced furloughs 2 weeks after the last POC TA was approved? No surprise. Just be happy being a career FO...

Hey, at least this TA has better furlough language!:nuts:

 

[fam62c]

You guys are exactly right.. Alaska management has a plan in mind. They have been very tight lipped about their exact growth plans by design. I think if this contract passes, there will be an announcement of some type. It may be growth using Skywest or another affiliate as contracted expansion or something with Delta. Regardless, without any real scope in place, the moves Alaska makes is going to be away from mainline, further reducing their costs and finding efficiencies with other operators. If this TA passes, it's going to be a disaster..

Why couldn't they just do that now, what is stopping them? If they really want to do that they are never going to sign a scope clause that prevents them from running the business they way they want to......why would they?

 

[igneousy2]

Why couldn't they just do that now, what is stopping them? If they really want to do that they are never going to sign a scope clause that prevents them from running the business they way they want to......why would they?

Which is why we need to get it in writing now...unless they are already planning to...which means they are lying.

 

[CGHercster]

ALPA has left the building.

 

[Old School 737]

ALPA has left the building.

They have ??

Out to lunch ??

 

[Old School 737]

I'm suprised they are announcing all this "new" flying on Skywest jets before the contract has been settled ...

 

[CesnaCaptn]

I'm suprised they are announcing all this "new" flying on Skywest jets before the contract has been settled ...

I know, right?

One round trip per day between Boise and San Diego. They better slow down.

 

[Old School 737]

I know, right?

One round trip per day between Boise and San Diego. They better slow down.

There was more than that announced today..

 

[flythere]

Just goes to show how ignorant those who are voting yes are! Or, how blinded they were by the 10% pay increase!! Just goes to show how confident management is that this steaming pile of dung will pass!!!

Sometime within the next 2-3 yrs when Skywest takes delivery of those 120 seat RJ'S, they will be flying more than sea Omaha!

They couldn't even wait for the turd to pass, before they fired the opening shot across the bow!!

 

[CesnaCaptn]

There was more than that announced today..

That's what I get for being a smart azz. I didn't check alaskasworld and yahoo finance on my iphone had the announcement split into two articles.

These new flights must be using the South African Airways lease returns. I like how the network planning guy wrote on the "logbook" that Skywest only has 5 airplanes currently or now--something to that effect. He made no mention of the 3 additions this fall. Why tell the whole truth when that would hurt your bargaining position?

 

[Ocity]

Vote NO. we aren't going to be able to stop the rj infection, but we damn well better get paid as upgrade is slipping further and further into the future. If we pass this thing, we have NO ONE else to blame than ourselves.

 

[alaskaplt]

This goes to show how confident management is in our stupidity as a group. To put this news out while we are still voting on a contract with no scope seems insane. However, I think it will still pass and the company will laugh their arses off at our stupidity.

 

[kg911]

I gotta believe this was very strategically announced. As if to say hey guys, we are going through with our Skywest plans regardless if your TA passes or not. Vote this TA down and live without your new language and pay for a couple more years or, vote it in and at least you have merger and furlough language and a pay raise..bottom line is we are F'd on scope..

 

[Boxboy]

No such thing as freedom and especially freedom of choice. Kasher-no choice. Last TA/current contract- literally no choice as our union shot themselves in the foot. This TA-screw your buddy AND bend over. Taken for a ride, again!

 

[Ocity]

No such thing as freedom and especially freedom of choice. Kasher-no choice. Last TA/current contract- literally no choice as our union shot themselves in the foot. This TA-screw your buddy AND bend over. Taken for a ride, again!

Only if you vote to approve does any of this happen. If we ratify this, we fk'ed ourselves this time.

I don't blame the company at all, now I understand why the company has been so agreeable to our negotiating time line. It turns out our MEC has been standing their with our wallets open and the company pilfering it.