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Old School 737 said:
New email from the MEC .. Is out .. Says that TA is in line with our pole and what we desired ....???...
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This contract meets my desires! I want my flying to be outsourced to SkyWest a lot more because I get tired of doing the shorter legs. I also want pilots to fly on vacation, reserves to pick up extra trips on their days off and best of all, the retirees get to come back and earn a few extra bucks on our dime. I like where I am in seniority so moving up is not too important for another decade. Retirement not being enhanced is also great. I don't like setting the bar higher because I want my company to have lower costs and I need to do my part....as do all our new hires. 13.5% is good enough for most people anyway. Scheduling....I'm glad they did not do much with that because I love the system as it is. Thanks NC and MEC!!! Glad you guys get more credit each month for the great job!!! Thanks!
 
Singlecoil said:
In other words, "You cowards said you weren't willing to strike so this is what you get!"
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We're not even close to that ..yet . And there is no way the Pres.. Will let us .. The whole dam state of Alaska would be cut off from the lower 48...pilots and company knows a strike won't happen..
 
Old School 737 said:
We're not even close to that ..yet . And there is no way the Pres.. Will let us .. The whole dam state of Alaska would be cut off from the lower 48...pilots and company knows a strike won't happen..
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My point is that they always ask that question in the poll. They shouldn't even ask that question. When it is time, have a strike vote. Then you will know. Doing so too early biases out negotiators.
 
Old School 737 said:
Dissapointing To read the road show part of that fourm
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Why does the MEC and NC try so hard to sell the TA if it's as good as they say it is? Hmmmmm.... You can't mask a turd and tell me it's a meatloaf! During the last road show and this one, they do a terrific job of putting the kabash on any individuals who ask the tough questions, topics like Scope and the measly pay increase. I see no difference between the company and ALPA in their tactics. Heck, the company is more cordial when they tell you politely to STFU! Just state the facts and don't sugar coat it. Using fear to jam this TA down our throats can only backfire!
 
I am still holding out hope that we see through this BS and vote NO.. Like the guys did on that crapy deal the company offered in 2005...
 
It seems like they stacked the pay in favor of the capt's because they have more votes! I think they could have done a little better on the pay for FO's!! Most Capt's I'm talking to don't seem to have a clue about scope protection! They just don't get it, or they just don't care!!
 
I can't imagine the FO's voting it in .. A few will .. So we need like 15 percent of the captains to say No and we should just have enough ... ?!?! I hope ..
 
flythere said:
It seems like they stacked the pay in favor of the capt's because they have more votes! I think they could have done a little better on the pay for FO's!! Most Capt's I'm talking to don't seem to have a clue about scope protection! They just don't get it, or they just don't care!!
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The captains know about Scope but many of them, in all honesty, just don't care. For one reason or another, they seem to think that they are immune from it. For the senior group, Scope doesn't matter and it shows. The cold truth.... a lot/most of them just don't care about anyone junior to them; ones who do are a small minority. It takes a big heart to care and it saddens me to see all the true colors come out of some of my favorite captains.
This TA should be a wake up call for all FOs and junior captains.
 
Boxboy said:
The captains know about Scope but many of them, in all honesty, just don't care. For one reason or another, they seem to think that they are immune from it. For the senior group, Scope doesn't matter and it shows. The cold truth.... a lot/most of them just don't care about anyone junior to them; ones who do are a small minority. It takes a big heart to care and it saddens me to see all the true colors come out of some of my favorite captains.
This TA should be a wake up call for all FOs and junior captains.
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Yep. Hard to willingly accept getting fked by Kasher a Decade later. But that's apparently OK with our useless union. FK Alpa, and FK this TA.
 
Boxboy said:
The captains know about Scope but many of them, in all honesty, just don't care. For one reason or another, they seem to think that they are immune from it. For the senior group, Scope doesn't matter and it shows. The cold truth.... a lot/most of them just don't care about anyone junior to them; ones who do are a small minority. It takes a big heart to care and it saddens me to see all the true colors come out of some of my favorite captains.
This TA should be a wake up call for all FOs and junior captains.
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I don't think most CAs know about scope. The ones that do know think that it''ll just be broken one way or another.

Mesaba tried to kill our scope in the 1113c process and the judge said, "NO!" It kept an alter ego from receiving any of our flying.
 
I recall the NC banging their drums about protecting our flying during emails leading up to this TA. Then we get this POS and there is nothing to protect our flying. We currently have a non-union pilot group flying jets with ALASKA painted on the side and an Eskimo on the tail. Horizon is moving up to fly out of ANC through the interior.

Seriously people, does anyone think this is the end of our outsourcing? The company is doing their best to keep the moves small until we sign a 5 YEAR CONTRACT that gives away our flying and concedes major productivity gains to the company. We need to "WAKE UP" as a pilot group. All of this spells a smaller pilot group, longer upgrades, longer reserve, lower quality of life, displacements from base, longer duration as a commuter, etc. I'm just not seeing the upside for a few dollars more. In fact, it seems more and more like a massive sellout.

This benefits exactly 3 parties: Management, MEC Officers, and Senior Captains.

PLEASE VOTE NO.
 
The best description thus far has been, a steaming pile of dung with festering puss oozing from it and $100.00 bills covering the pile!

The closer I get to this pile, the worse it smells and when you peel a hundred away, you see the puss oozing from it!!

Vote NO!!!!!
 
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You can vote No Today!!!!

Heard from some guys that the union expected a 30 percent no vote before they put this thing out ... So I hope another other 20.01 percent will as well .. I just voted ... Soo simple and fast !!! NO!!!!! For me...
 
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Just voted no today as well. As good as it feels to finally be able to vote NO, I am now concerned about the silent majority out there that may be on the fence. Seems like the most vocal are the ones that are definite NO's. The guys who don't really want to talk about it are the ones that worry me. Get the word out about AK737.com. Some very good information there.
 
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Looked for the HELL NO, FK YOU ALPA!!! Selection but didn't see it. Had to settle for the much less gratifying "against".
 
Chief Pilot said:
Just voted no today as well. As good as it feels to finally be able to vote NO, I am now concerned about the silent majority out there that may be on the fence. Seems like the most vocal are the ones that are definite NO's. The guys who don't really want to talk about it are the ones that worry me. Get the word out about AK737.com. Some very good information there.
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I guess I'm too dumb to figure out how to vote. I can't find the voting section anywhere on the alpa site.

edit: found it, big green "ballot open" button on the right side of the home page.
 
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I've always been a long time admirer of ALK. From an outsider perspective, I don't get it. ALK is one of the most profitable legacy's. You guys should be tops for 73 pay. Scope is an issue as well. Now is the best time to get this stuff.

Sounds similar to what occurred at NetJets. Two key union leaders, (one was the president), feathered their own beds by angling their way into management after they negotiated the last contract.
 
nordo_2 said:
I've always been a long time admirer of ALK. From an outsider perspective, I don't get it. ALK is one of the most profitable legacy's. You guys should be tops for 73 pay. Scope is an issue as well. Now is the best time to get this stuff.

Sounds similar to what occurred at NetJets. Two key union leaders, (one was the president), feathered their own beds by angling their way into management after they negotiated the last contract.
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Karma is a bitch and none of us can escape from it.
 
Think about the POS TA we shot down after Kasher. The unity of this group was incredible. This TA is the exact same. A few extra $ in exchange for more productivity for the company. All pilots, Captains AND First Officers should see this for what it is, a concessionary contract. The sad thing is this was offered while our company makes record profits. Just sad.
 
Just voted "NO". More I read this TA, the more I don't understand how the NC and the MEC unanimously agreed that this is a good TA.:confused: I would like to see the polling data; I'm sure it'll never be released to us line pilots. I can't pick out one good deal in this TA for the pilot group, especially the FOs unless you count the furlough language. However, furlough is never a good thing so no win there. FOs will be moving even further backwards if this turd gets ratified. This TA would suffice if the airline was just scraping by and weren't making record profits.

In the midst of all this, how does the union score a deal with the company in getting 90 hours of pay for union business? Something smells bad. WTFO!
 
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Flying with 23 year cpt he's is a solid No !! Vote .. But capt that took the jet from us 17 years is like oh it's not so bad ...
 

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