USAir East West NIC Award Resolution? Very soon!

[TWA Dude]

It costs money to fly empty planes from PHX out to locations were he can get profitable load factors.

You make it so easy when you step on your own crank. First, another lie as you know darned well Dug ain't flying empty planes anywhere. But if I tried to follow your logic for just one second, that Dug has to fly unprofitable routes just to get to profitable eastern routes, you make yourself the fool since those flights are former East routes too. Quit while you're behind, junior.

 

[reepicheep]

Yeah dump PHX there's the ticket. Go back to your Biz-ex on steroids route-structure that worked so well before the merger. Just what America needs a regional with a legacy cost structure. That east attrition won't be worth much without a job will it.....

 

[Bringupthebird]

The court refuses to make it binding now. There is no basis to find damages in the future. But your obsession and cult faith is entertaining.

Eventually you'll understand the difference between allowing a negotiating position and the requirement to represent the interests of the west in any ratified agreement. The day that happens, I recommend you bring a spare set of undies to change into.

Oh, and no, I won't have any survivor's guilt as I spend your captain's check. I'll probably blow it on bigger tips to van drivers.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Airways met with amr creditors today. hopefully they'll make some kind of decision soon and either way we can move forward and forget about this sh!t show.

You and I wish, but unfortunately the east has so thoroughly salted the earth between these two groups that they will never speak cordially to each other and the poor AMR guys are going to quickly tire of hearing the same story from former US pilots trying desperately to earn that elusive, "You're right, those scumbags shoulda been stapled!"

 

[Turtle21]

Eventually you'll understand the difference between allowing a negotiating position and the requirement to represent the interests of the west in any ratified agreement. The day that happens, I recommend you bring a spare set of undies to change into.

Oh, and no, I won't have any survivor's guilt as I spend your captain's check. I'll probably blow it on bigger tips to van drivers.

Wide range of reasonableness. Its the law.

P.S. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[becket]

Wide range of reasonableness. Its the law.

P.S. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

"We the jury side with the plaintiffs". Addington Jury.

Nothing has changed, expect to hear those words again.

 

[Metrojet]

I flew with the East Alpa rep who negotiated the NIC MOU with West ALPA. The MOU never went anywhere because West/East could not negotiate the document before USAPA threw out both Alpa groups.

Becket, Judge Silver did not say that Nic was binding. Rather she gave East a lot of liberty to do what ever they want and risk a DFR later. Why was Silver so "Gray?"

AOL is not going to win this pissing contest with the East group. A fifth of the group will retire before the seniority list is settled. A third to half of the the East group will retire before any DFR would be settled—this is reality; the East mentality you're dealing with does not care and will retire soon.

You MAY eventually settle a DFR, but the burden will be on AOL to prove they were damaged. Unlike TWA pilots, AOL will have to prove that West pilots were damaged while enjoying tremendous movement, contract & QOL improvements that USAPA may negotiate in part with APA/LCC.

It took two parties to create this situation. The loudest political elements in both East and West pilot unions were also the most disingenuous and responsible.

West pilots experienced a huge win fall from Nicolau—It would seem too good to be true now.

Fly -
Well said

Metrojet

 

[Metrojet]

Agitated by clueless idiots that actually believe the USAPA lies. Silver didn't impose the Nic...which she clearly eluded SHE WANTED TO BUT COULDN'T because of the 9ths idiotic ruling that has the parties chasing their tails in an endless loop. The 9th was dumb enough to believe USAPA was ever going to be willing to not blatantly screw the west despite their clear DFR responsibilities. They don't understand that USAPA has no plans to be on any property in a few years. USAPA can go for broke and burn down the house. No union in history has been wired like those scabs so I guess I could cut the 9 th some slack for not understanding what they were looking at.

Do you actually believe if you ratified a DOH contract, it would survive injunction? If you ACTUALLY believe that, exactly which neutral 3rd party has ever indicated such? Silver said, in plain English that abandoning the Nic puts them on "dangerous ground". The 9th spoke of the "unquestionably ripe dfr". Did you forget that part? Where in those statements are you deriving your unfettered freedom to a DOH cram down?

This experiment is going to be the biggest financial failure of your career...aside from not walking away from US Air after your furlough ....like 85% of your 99 hire generation was wise enough to do.

Beckett -

Hey - you sound like Karl Rove having a meltdown on FOX NEWS on election night!

Metrojet

 

[Metrojet]

Eventually you'll understand the difference between allowing a negotiating position and the requirement to represent the interests of the west in any ratified agreement. The day that happens, I recommend you bring a spare set of undies to change into.

Oh, and no, I won't have any survivor's guilt as I spend your captain's check. I'll probably blow it on bigger tips to van drivers.

See there - that is the mentality of the West "as I spend your Captain's check".

Sorry to wake you up from your "winning the lottery dream".

Metrojet

 

[Turtle21]

"We the jury side with the plaintiffs". Addington Jury.

Nothing has changed, expect to hear those words again.

That jury was never allowed to hear "wide range of reasonableness". The next time (in whatever decade that might be, if ever) the judge will be constrained by the law just like Silver was. After Wakes embarrassment you won't find a judge to screw the pooch anymore.

Wide range of reasonableness. It's the law.