USAir East West NIC Award Resolution? Very soon!

[B-atch]

Listen Bird..Its not what Silver said, its what she "DIDN'T" say that matters in this case. We shall see. Besides the NDA expires in a few days. I have a feeling that PHX might not like the outcome..Just saying...

 

[B-atch]

That's true, but it's like saying nothing precludes you from going home and beating your wife. Do it and there are consequences.

Bad analogy..There are laws that preclude one from doing such harm. DFR is a tough case to prove. Specially when a union provides C&Rs to protect ALL its members from unreasonable advancements at the detriment of others.

 

[TWA Dude]

You guys keep referring to the Wake process as a a win for AOL.

It was. You keep thinking having the 9th overturn it on ripeness alone means it's like it never happened. The company and Judge Silver know different. Every subsequent judge who looks at this will know all about the Wake trail and its jury verdict. You can't escape the fact that it's now officially in writing that USAPA was created to evade the Nicolau list which is NOT a legitimate union purpose.

Wake was B-slapped by the 9th. He overstepped his courts jurisdiction by trying a case that was NOT RIPE!!

Well, now I can see at least one reason why you're having so much trouble understanding Silver's ruling: you know darn little about the court process. Having a verdict overturned because of a different interpretation of ripeness is not the same as overstepping.

In fact, here's some information you may not know about DFR case law.
In October, 2001, the APA revealed the combined AA/TWA seniority list and fences, known as Supplement CC. That seniority list didn't come into effect until Single Carrier Status was implemented in April, 2002. A group of TWA pilots filed a suit against the APA (along with ALPA, AA, and TWA, Llc.) the summer of 2002. The three defendants AA, TWA, Llc, and APA were all dismissed from the suit due to expiration of the six-month statute of limitations. The judge determined the statutory date was October and not the following April. That determination was subsequently upheld on appeal. So here you have two different cases with completely different ideas on ripeness. The 9th contradicts the other case which is why there was a chance the SCOTUS might've looked at it.

Nothing but a HOLLOW victory for Leonidas...

I'm so glad you think that.

All these threats of suits and injunctions will only seal your fate..

They're not threats, they're predictions...

 

[Deadalus]

I have..She made some Strong pointed opinions.... However, based on the 9th COAs decision....Nothing precludes USAPA from abandoning the Nic... And furthermore according to Silver, the Co. can negotiate a joint cba, Nic non-inclusive, as long as there is NO "Collusion".
In essence, she DID give the Co. what they were asking!!
She gave GUIDANCE.. Now whether Doug decides to negotiate will be a true indication of how badly he needs a joint CBA..

What planet are you on? You think Parker is going to help you steal west pilots seniority and make US Airways liable? I'm going to take a guess and say that Parker is smarter than you easties. Of course the average rock is smarter than you guys. Probably higher paid too

 

[Turtle21]

The USAPA Scabs have been trying to hide under the "wide range of reasonablness" since inception. A jury shot them down after 90 minutes of deliberation....

.

You are a hoot..

The phrase "wide range of reasonableness" is the words of the SCOTUS as quoted by the 9th circuit, the court that threw our the findings of the jury that was hamstrung by Judge Wake who forced a biased decision. Not only did Wake get embarrassed for manipulating the jury, he was completely dismissed for using his courtroom to interfere in negotiations between the company and the union.

You pretend that "wide range of reasonableness" is an age old strategy of USAPA but the reality is it is a NEW gift of guidance from the SCOTUS (and confirmed by Silver) that USAPA and the company wouldn't even have accept for the $2M that Leospanker spent!

 

[Turtle21]

You can't escape the fact that it's now officially in writing that USAPA was created to evade the Nicolau list which is NOT a legitimate union purpose..

Even if it is proven that USAPA's establishment was not for a legitimate union purpose, that is not the same thing as saying that USAPA cannot negotiate in good faith with the company to reach a legitimate union purpose. Ie. The 9th made it very clear that a resolution to your DFR claim was not the same thing as a resolution to the internal union dispute.

A DFR claim won't be addressed until after ratification of a JCBA. The courts have made it very clear they will not interfere with a union as it bargains with the company. The only way forward is a JCBA.

 

[TWA Dude]

Even if it is proven that USAPA's establishment was not for a legitimate union purpose, that is not the same thing as saying that USAPA cannot negotiate in good faith with the company to reach a legitimate union purpose.

Remember the movie "My Cousin Vinny"? There's a great scene in court where the judge tells Joe Pesci "That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection. Overruled!"
You cannot separate USAPA's proven malevolence towards the West pilots from future actions. The burden of proof of good faith is effectively so high it's insurmountable. Any non-Nic seniority list advantages the East at the West's expense. You can't escape that by applying your own selfish definition of legitimate union purpose.

A DFR claim won't be addressed until after ratification of a JCBA.

Right. The papers for an injunction halting implementation of that JCBA will be filed immediately thereafter. Given past history do you really feel so lucky that it won't be granted?

And in any case, Dug has made it clear we will never get to that point if he thinks an injunction is forthcoming. In light of Silver's ruling I don't know how you can conclude the company is willing to negotiate away from the Nicolau list.

 

[Deadalus]

Even if it is proven that USAPA's establishment was not for a legitimate union purpose, that is not the same thing as saying that USAPA cannot negotiate in good faith with the company to reach a legitimate union purpose. Ie. The 9th made it very clear that a resolution to your DFR claim was not the same thing as a resolution to the internal union dispute.

A DFR claim won't be addressed until after ratification of a JCBA. The courts have made it very clear they will not interfere with a union as it bargains with the company. The only way forward is a JCBA.

Well you and your joke of a union might be dumb enough to do something that will get you/it in trouble, but the company isn't. You go right ahead there Einstein and present that DOH list to Parker, we all need a good laugh.

http://youtu.be/RBMdsSwNZ9M

C'mon do it.

 

[becket]

You are a hoot..

The phrase "wide range of reasonableness" is the words of the SCOTUS as quoted by the 9th circuit, the court that threw our the findings of the jury that was hamstrung by Judge Wake who forced a biased decision. Not only did Wake get embarrassed for manipulating the jury, he was completely dismissed for using his courtroom to interfere in negotiations between the company and the union.

You pretend that "wide range of reasonableness" is an age old strategy of USAPA but the reality is it is a NEW gift of guidance from the SCOTUS (and confirmed by Silver) that USAPA and the company wouldn't even have accept for the $2M that Leospanker spent!

Shocking how little you understand your situation. I haven't the time or the inclination to tutor you on the details.....aside from just cutting to the chase...

USAPA is Fk'ed.

sweet dreams.

 

[Turtle21]

Shocking how little you understand your situation. I haven't the time or the inclination to tutor you on the details.....aside from just cutting to the chase...

USAPA is Fk'ed.

sweet dreams.

You are a hoot. I just took the time to tutor you on your misunderstanding/misrepresentation/misuse and MISATTRIBUTION... yes, MISATTRIBUTION of the term "wide range of reasonableness" and you walk off mumbling about being shocked. A hoot I say, a hoot.

 

[pave driver]

MEM. ISO MOT. TO CORRECT JUDGMENT
NO. 2-10-CV-1570-PHX-ROS

Attorneys for Plaintiff
US Airways, Inc.
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc., a Delaware
Corporation,
Plaintiff,
v.
Don Addington, an individual; John
Bostic, an individual; Mark Burman, an
individual; Afshin Iranpour, an
individual; Roger Velez, an individual;
and Steve Wargocki, an individual, on
behalf of themselves and all other
similarly-situated individuals,
and
US Airline Pilots Association, an
unincorporated association,
Defendants.
Case No. 2-10-cv-1570-PHX-ROS
MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN
SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFF US
AIRWAYS, INC.’S MOTION TO
CORRECT JUDGMENT PURSUANT
TO FEDERAL RULE OF CIVIL
PROCEDURE 60(a)

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MEM. ISO MOT. TO CORRECT JUDGMENT
NO. 2-10-CV-1570-PHX-ROS
INTRODUCTION
Pursuant to Rule 60(a) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, plaintiff US
Airways, Inc. (“US Airways”) moves the Court to correct the judgment in the abovereferenced
class action case. Correction of the judgment is necessary in order to conform
to the technical requirements of Rule 23(c)(3) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure,
which governs judgments in class actions.
On October 11, 2012, judgment was entered in this case. (See Doc. No. 194.)
Although the Court had previously certified a class in this case pursuant to Federal Rule
of Civil Procedure 23(b)(1) (see Doc. No. 125), and the case was maintained as a class
action through the date of judgment, the judgment does not describe the class bound by
the judgment, as required by Rule 23(c)(3).
ARGUMENT
I. THE JUDGMENT IS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE
REQUIREMENTS OF RULE 23(c)(3)
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 23(c)(3) provides that the judgment in a class
action must, “for any class certified under Rule 23(b)(1) . . . , include and describe those
whom the court finds to be class members.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(c)(3)(A); see also
Harmsen v. Smith, 693 F.2d 932, 942 (9th Cir. 1982) (remanding to district court to enter
judgment in accordance with Rule 23(c)(3) for a class certified under Rule 23(b)(3)). The
Rules Advisory Committee Notes for Rule 23(c)(3) explain that “[t]he judgment in a class
action maintained as such to the end will embrace the class,” and the judgment in a
Rule 23(b)(1) class action should “‘describe[]’ the members of the class.” Adv. Comm.
Note, 39 F.R.D. 69, 105 (Feb. 28, 1966) (quoting Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(c)(3)(A)).
Here, the judgment does not comply with Rule 23(c)(3), because it does not
“include and describe those whom the court finds to be class members.” Fed. R. Civ.
P. 23(c)(3)(A). Indeed, although the Court certified a class pursuant to Rule 23(b)(1)(A)
(see Doc. No. 125), and maintained this case as a class action through the date of

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2 MEM. ISO MOT. TO CORRECT JUDGMENT
NO. 2-10-CV-1570-PHX-ROS
judgment, there is nothing on the face of the judgment indicating that this case is a class
action. (See Doc. No. 194.)
The exact requirements for a judgment to conform with Rule 23(c)(3) are not
entirely clear.1 At a minimum, the judgment in this case should describe the class by the
class definition in the previously filed class notice. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(c)(3) &
23(c)(3)(A); Adv. Comm. Note, 39 F.R.D. at 105. That definition is: “All pilots
employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the America West seniority list
on September 20, 2005.” (See Doc. Nos. 141-1, 165.) But given the ambiguous language
and the paucity of case law addressing the requirements of Rule 23(c)(3)(A), the Court
may also wish to include the list of class members who were sent the class notice. The
Court ordered US Airways to distribute a revised class notice, a process that was
completed on January 31, 2012. (See Doc. Nos. 141, 145, and 165.) If the Court wishes
to append the list of class members to its judgment, US Airways can provide the names of
the individuals who were mailed the class notice.
The judgment in this case should be corrected to conform to Rule 23(c)(3) in order
to ensure that it has the binding effect on the class that the Court intended. See, e.g.,
Charles Alan Wright & Arthur R. Miller, Federal Practice and Procedure § 1789 (3d ed.
2010) (“The obvious implication of Rule 23(c)(3) is that anyone properly listed in the
judgment should be bound by it absent some special reason for not doing so.”) (emphasis
added).
II. RULE 60(a) PERMITS CORRECTION OF THE JUDGMENT
Judgments that do not conform to the technical requirements of Rule 23(c)(3) can
be corrected pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 60(a). Rule 60(a) provides that
“[t]he court may correct a clerical mistake or a mistake arising from oversight or omission
1 Rule 23(c)(3)(A) states that a judgment in a class action must “for any class
certified under Rule 23(b)(1) or (b)(2), include and describe those whom the court finds to
be class members.” The case law has not adequately clarified what it means to “include
and describe,” although the Advisory Committee Notes indicate that the judgment must
“‘describe[]’ the members of the class, but need not specify the individual members.”
Adv. Comm. Note, 39 F.R.D at 105.

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whenever one is found in a judgment, order, or other part of the record.” Fed. R. Civ.
P. 60(a). Rule 60(a) further provides that “[t]he court may do so on motion or on its own,
with or without notice.” Id. Relief under Rule 60(a) is appropriate when the requested
corrections are necessary to implement the result intended by the Court. Kokomo Tube
Co. v. Dayton Equip. Servs. Co., 123 F.3d 616, 623 (7th Cir. 1997).
Where, as here, a judgment in a case that has been maintained as a class action
does not conform to the requirements of Rule 23(c)(3), Rule 60(a) can be used to correct
this clerical oversight. Vaughter v. E. Air Lines, Inc., 817 F.2d 685, 689 (11th Cir. 1987)
(“[W]here the parties have operated under the understanding that a suit is being
maintained as a class action, the failure of the district court to designate in the judgment
the class thereby bound may be deemed an oversight or omission subject to correction
pursuant to Rule 60(a)”); Newman v. Prior, 518 F.2d 97, 101 (4th Cir. 1975) (remanding
case to district court to amend judgment pursuant to Rule 60(a) where judgment did not
conform to Rule 23(c)(3)), overruled on other grounds by Newcome v. Esrey,
862 F.2d 1099 (4th Cir. 1988); see also Young v. Katz, 447 F.2d 431, 435 (5th Cir. 1971)
(describing judgment’s nonconformance with Rule 23(c)(3) as an “inadvertence,” and
remanding case “for the correction of the[se] omissions”); Wright & Miller, supra, § 1789
(noting that the failure to comply with Rule 23(c)(3) at the time the judgment is entered
“is not a fatal error . . . and the case can be remanded to remedy the defect”).
The Court’s intent here was clear – to have its judgment bind the West Pilots class.
(See, e.g., Doc. No. 193 at 1 n.1 (“The West Pilot Defendants are Don Addington, John
Bostic, Mark Burman, Afshin Iranpour, Roger Velez, and Steve Wargocki, on behalf of
themselves and the certified West Pilot Class.”).) Accordingly, it is appropriate for the
judgment to be corrected pursuant to Rule 60(a) to conform to the technical requirements
for class-action judgments.
CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, US Airways respectfully requests that the Court grant its
motion under Rule 60(a).

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Dated: October 18, 2012 O’Melveny & Myers LLP
By: /s/ Robert A. Siegel_________
Robert A. Siegel (pro hac vice)
Chris A. Hollinger (pro hac vice)
400 South Hope Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071-2899
US Airways, Inc.
Karen Gillen, State Bar No. 018008
111 West Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, AZ 85281
Attorneys for Plaintiff US Airways, Inc.

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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I hereby certify that on October 18, 2012, the foregoing document was
electronically transmitted to the United States District Court Clerk’s Office using the
CM/ECF System for filing and transmittal.
/s/ Robert A. Siegel________
Robert A. Siegel
OMM_US:71011753.6

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[Bringupthebird]

190 numbers. You'll be a block holder on the e190. What does that pay? Sign me up! Dangerous Ground, repeat it to yourself, dangerous ground ~Silver

Would those Dangerous Grounds have some Monetary Damages associated with them? Would those damages be the responsibility of those USAPA members who were not on the America West Seniority as of September 20, 2005?

I like the way this wind-up for a fastball is looking.

 

[Turtle21]

MEMO In Support of Motion TO CORRECT JUDGMENT

...the case was maintained as a class action through the date of judgment, but the judgment does not describe the class bound by the judgment, as required...

The Court’s intent here was clear – to have its judgment bind the West Pilots class.

For the foregoing reasons, US Airways respectfully requests that the Court grant its
motion [to clarify the judgement is against the West Pilot Class, and not just the six named West pilots].

 

[Bringupthebird]

Yes, it's important to retain the West class so that any future damages are paid to the class rather than merely the named pilots.

 

[Turtle21]

Yes, it's important to retain the West class so that any future damages are paid to the class rather than merely the named pilots.

Funny, Silver forgot to use the term "damages" in her judgement.. And worse the company, in their memo requesting a correct to the judgement, forgot to ask Silver to add the term "damages", but instead used the term "binding".

How unfortunate no one is discussing "damages" and are moving forward without memorializing it.