ASA DTW CP pulls IAD pilot offline for refusing aircraft

[COOPERVANE]

Apparently a Dulles Captain refused to fly an aircraft after a long duty day full of MTC delays. The aircraft had a deferred autopilot and the trip was IAD-HSV or a similar route. Pretty long block to hand fly at the end of a long day.

There was a spare but dispatch refused to swap. CP pulled the Capt offline and assigned the trip to a RR. The RR also refused the aircraft. Anybody know more details?

Who is this POS ASSISTANT chief pilot?

 

[Flyguy1226]

You can fly without the autopilot. Sure, it sucks, but it's allowed unfortunately.

 

[pmdcjoe]

You can fly without the autopilot. Sure, it sucks, but it's allowed unfortunately.

Not when fatigue is an issue...

 

[CRJ puppy]

You are either fatigued or not. It has nothing to do with the mtc discrepancies on the aircraft. You can't tell the CP that you're fatigued if the AP is deferred but not fatigued if you get an aircraft that has a working AP. Gotta be more to the story.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Thats what I'm thinking. Gotta be more to this

 

[sweptback]

Good for both Captains to stand up for what they believe in.

 

[rockit85]

I know a few people who were trying to be forced to fly busted equip in iad and the dtw chief is a ******************************. it's all about completion factor with total disregard to safety and common sense when dealing with him. I flew with him before he was a chief and he was not anything like he is now . the power/jobtitle has gone to his head .

 

[IBNAV8R]

You are either fatigued or not. It has nothing to do with the mtc discrepancies on the aircraft. You can't tell the CP that you're fatigued if the AP is deferred but not fatigued if you get an aircraft that has a working AP. Gotta be more to the story.

You're absolutely right. There is:
1. fully alert like you just had 10 hours of sleep, your morning run and a venti starbucks; or,
2. dog-arsed tired like you can't even make it to your car.

There is nothing in between. It's either yes or no. Black or white, off or on, true or false.

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

Or your fine at departure. Think you will be fine but then 10 minutes before TOD all of a sudden you cant see straight.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I've NEVER refused an aircraft with the autopilot deferred......but I was alert, rested and felt confident it wouldn't be a problem EVERY time I've accepted the plane.

But if I ever do, I expect to be supported and treated like a professional who knows what I am doing and my limitations.

We need to make sure PIC authority is respected at this POS company.

We need to support this Captain.

 

[COOPERVANE]

you're absolutely right. There is:
1. Fully alert like you just had 10 hours of sleep, your morning run and a venti starbucks; or,
2. Dog-arsed tired like you can't even make it to your car.

There is nothing in between. It's either yes or no. Black or white, off or on, true or false.

exactly!!!!

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Sounds like a company (personal) problem to me!!

 

[Plainsman]

This is bs. Pulled offline? Figure out the real story and get back. You just don't get pulled offline unless there is a reason. Was the Captain acting like a weiner or is the new assistant chief looking for an atta boy from Sleezy Scotty.

 

[BigPappa]

Fuad M. is one of the best chief pilots ASA has had in a while. He should teach new guys what effective leadership is. They could learn a lot from him.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Look here, a thread on FI that might be useful to read about.

Question for you all.

Let's say it's been a long day, and you feel that without the autopilot, safety may be compromised because you are tired and unable to think straight. With the autopilot doing all the work, you feel comfortable enough flying to your destination as you monitor the airplane. Taking the focus off of FATIGUE which I see some on here are saying is black or white, and putting it on SAFETY which is more of a gray area.

Thoughts??

 

[Freebrd]

It's deferrable, so fly it. Some don't even want to fly w/o the FMS. C'mon man!

 

[CRJ puppy]

Look here, a thread on FI that might be useful to read about.

Question for you all.

Let's say it's been a long day, and you feel that without the autopilot, safety may be compromised because you are tired and unable to think straight. With the autopilot doing all the work, you feel comfortable enough flying to your destination as you monitor the airplane. Taking the focus off of FATIGUE which I see some on here are saying is black or white, and putting it on SAFETY which is more of a gray area.

Thoughts??

If you are so tired and can only think straight with an operable auto pilot, you shouldn't be flying. Period.

My god. I can't believe any responsible pilot would think otherwise. Good grief. What if ANYTHING went wrong on this flight?!?!

This HAS to be some sort of flaming trolling expedition...

 

[Freebrd]

This HAS to be some sort of flaming trolling expedition...

yeah surprised it wasn't 777 who started it :laugh:

 

[princeton]

Does ASA not have a fatigue call policy? At xjt you simply call in fatigued and that's it. Especially if there's a reserve there at the airport, why would a CP even get involved?

When do we see the lawsuit about the airline pressuring pilots to fly fatigued?

 

[BigPappa]

Fuad M. is one of the best chief pilots ASA has had in a while. He should teach new guys what effective leadership is. They could learn a lot from him.

What I mean is the DTW chief C.H. could learn a lot from F.M.