SWA culture!

[SWA/FO]

What is SWAPA (not SWA, not WN, not GK, not Herb, etc) "giving" anyone? You're going to furlough us first and take our airplanes according to the transition agreement and wanted to draw the process agreement out as long as possible. I'm seeing the warrior spirit but not seeing the servant's heart, isn't all of it part of the "culture"?

Gary is not going to furlough anybody. He takes great pride in NOT doing that. He said once "If I had to furlough, I'd consider myself a failure"

These last couple of years, they actually spent 50 Million or so they didn't have to just to keep everyone on the payroll. This Company has enough money to pay every single employee for a year set aside, just incase another 9/11 happened (God forbid). I'm not making this stuff up.

Your going to have to LIVE it to believe me. The last guy on our list probably feels more secure then a dude 500 up on UALs (insert any airline here) list.

Please Stop sounding like an idiot. YOU WANT SWAPA's CONTRACT. SWAPA got that for its members. It didn't come free, it wasn't a handout from Southwest. We spent millions on our section ONE alone. This very section that is protecting us (SWAPA) Pilots. We got rid of Skywest, right? Southwest, GK can't even paint the airplanes without our agreement. They were in violation of our contract by having an Air Tran sticker on the nose of our airplane on May 2. This is a great contract.

There is tons of mutual respect between SWA and SWAPA. This will benefit you. Why don't you all just give in a bit and say "I want to be a SWAPA Pilot" it would really go a long way.

Claiming that SWAPA had nothing to do with where we are now it just a huge slap in the face and I find it insulting, which makes me want to insult you further.... then I grind my teeth at night and its not good.

All I am saying is, this is not a done deal. You guys (we are driving this thing) have a lot to lose. Don't over play your hand. :beer:

 

[GuppyWN]

Out of fairness I'll say that the career of the Airtran pilot should NOT be decreased by this deal either.

Gup

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

What is SWAPA (not SWA, not WN, not GK, not Herb, etc) "giving" anyone? You're going to furlough us first and take our airplanes according to the transition agreement and wanted to draw the process agreement out as long as possible. I'm seeing the warrior spirit but not seeing the servant's heart, isn't all of it part of the "culture"?

Servant's heart doesn't mean we will roll over. SWAPA has a legal and moral obligation to protect the interests of our members just as AAI ALPA has a legal and moral obligation to protect their membership. As far as SWAPA goes we (SWAPA) negoitated the contract that you want. It wasn't a gift anymore than any contract at AAI has been. It was fought for and paid for by the SWAPA membership with SWAPA dues.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Gary is not going to furlough anybody. He takes great pride in NOT doing that. He said once "If I had to furlough, I'd consider myself a failure"

Then why waste transition language on it if you feel so strongly about it?

[/QUOTE]Your going to have to LIVE it to believe me. The last guy on our list probably feels more secure then a dude 500 up on UALs (insert any airline here) list.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the guy 500 numbers up on our list is close to a third of the way up. You'd have to ask him if he feels more secure or not. I'd have to believe that he'd rather be a third of the way up our list than the bottom of your list.

[/QUOTE]Please Stop sounding like an idiot. YOU WANT SWAPA's CONTRACT. SWAPA got that for its members. It didn't come free, it wasn't a handout from Southwest. We spent millions on our section ONE alone. This very section that is protecting us (SWAPA) Pilots. We got rid of Skywest, right? Southwest, GK can't even paint the airplanes without our agreement. They were in violation of our contract by having an Air Tran sticker on the nose of our airplane on May 2. This is a great contract.[/QUOTE]

Yelling at me in all caps doesn't make me understand it any better. I don't have to have SWAPA's contract, don't tell me I want it. I KNOW IT'S NOT WORTH GIVING UP SIGNIFICANT RELATIVE SENIORITY FOR. Does the caps help enforce the point?

[/QUOTE]There is tons of mutual respect between SWA and SWAPA. This will benefit you. Why don't you all just give in a bit and say "I want to be a SWAPA Pilot" it would really go a long way.[/QUOTE]

There in lies the problem, "a bit" has a very different connotation between groups. I'm sure "a bit" is much smaller to me than it is to you. Kind of like a marshaller with his wands 3" from each other for 3'. That's a long 3" .

[/QUOTE]Claiming that SWAPA had nothing to do with where we are now it just a huge slap in the face and I find it insulting, which makes me want to insult you further.... then I grind my teeth at night and its not good.

All I am saying is, this is not a done deal. You guys (we are driving this thing) have a lot to lose. Don't over play your hand. :beer:[/QUOTE]

If it wasn't for your mgmt, it wouldn't matter what the letters stood for in the acronym of your union because you'd be in the same boat as the rest of us, period, end of story. I'm confident in my MC and not concerned in the least about overplaying our hand. I'm not losing any sleep at night.

 

[tico]

Out of fairness I'll say that the career of the Airtran pilot should NOT be decreased by this deal either.

Gup

Nice leadership move Gup.....see if you can get the boys and girls from both sides to honor the simple request from y'alls negotiators.....the campaign would be....shhhh...wish my outcome from 2 tries had been different...by the way...thanks for the advice back then...the way things have gone downhill at ths eskimo airline I am close to hangin it up, cashin out the 401, buyin a sweet Pete, and seein all that country I have looked at from above for so long....i'.

 

[SWA/FO]

Dude your still going to still be a junior FO at the new Company (as you are now).

Your focus should be to get on the list, of a stronger Company. Don't ride the ship down.

 

[Dan Roman]

Pops,just saw you said the same thing copy pages back about everyone should pissed after a merger.

That was supposed to be opps, not pops! sorry dude! Typed it on my new Ipad!

 

[texman]

Redacted: due to me being wrong ...... Just this once

WTF is up with your pics? First thing I thought of was Panda Express! ghetto style! LOL!

 

[texman]

What is SWAPA (not SWA, not WN, not GK, not Herb, etc) "giving" anyone? You're going to furlough us first and take our airplanes according to the transition agreement and wanted to draw the process agreement out as long as possible. I'm seeing the warrior spirit but not seeing the servant's heart, isn't all of it part of the "culture"?

Luv I call BS on you throwing the whole culture thing in our face.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR,

Wait a minute.

You're saying that WN/AAI MUST merge lists but SKYW, ASA, Ex may not?

I'm confused. Actually I'm not. Bond/McCaskill makes NO REQUIREMENT to merge the lists. It clearly stipulates that IF the lists are merged it must be done so under agreement or arbitration.

For the record the WN and AAI lists WILL be merged because both parties WILL vote yes to an SLI produced under direct negotiation.

Gup

Gup,
Single List petition, it may be requested, or not, if the lists are to be merged, and the two sides cannot agree A-M LPP provisions will apply.
PBR

 

[texman]

Out of fairness I'll say that the career of the Airtran pilot should NOT be decreased by this deal either.

Gup

Thats the problem with this whole FI debate bullshyt. Decreased/increased what is the middle of the road. WE ALL ON FI DON'T HAVE THE FACTS! WE ALL NEED TO PUT THE PIPE DOWN! OUR NC'S AND MC'S DO!

 

[texman]

Then why waste transition language on it if you feel so strongly about it?

Your going to have to LIVE it to believe me. The last guy on our list probably feels more secure then a dude 500 up on UALs (insert any airline here) list.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the guy 500 numbers up on our list is close to a third of the way up. You'd have to ask him if he feels more secure or not. I'd have to believe that he'd rather be a third of the way up our list than the bottom of your list.

[/QUOTE]Please Stop sounding like an idiot. YOU WANT SWAPA's CONTRACT. SWAPA got that for its members. It didn't come free, it wasn't a handout from Southwest. We spent millions on our section ONE alone. This very section that is protecting us (SWAPA) Pilots. We got rid of Skywest, right? Southwest, GK can't even paint the airplanes without our agreement. They were in violation of our contract by having an Air Tran sticker on the nose of our airplane on May 2. This is a great contract.[/QUOTE]

Yelling at me in all caps doesn't make me understand it any better. I don't have to have SWAPA's contract, don't tell me I want it. I KNOW IT'S NOT WORTH GIVING UP SIGNIFICANT RELATIVE SENIORITY FOR. Does the caps help enforce the point?

[/QUOTE]There is tons of mutual respect between SWA and SWAPA. This will benefit you. Why don't you all just give in a bit and say "I want to be a SWAPA Pilot" it would really go a long way.[/QUOTE]

There in lies the problem, "a bit" has a very different connotation between groups. I'm sure "a bit" is much smaller to me than it is to you. Kind of like a marshaller with his wands 3" from each other for 3'. That's a long 3" .

[/QUOTE]Claiming that SWAPA had nothing to do with where we are now it just a huge slap in the face and I find it insulting, which makes me want to insult you further.... then I grind my teeth at night and its not good.

All I am saying is, this is not a done deal. You guys (we are driving this thing) have a lot to lose. Don't over play your hand. :beer:[/QUOTE]

If it wasn't for your mgmt, it wouldn't matter what the letters stood for in the acronym of your union because you'd be in the same boat as the rest of us, period, end of story. I'm confident in my MC and not concerned in the least about overplaying our hand. I'm not losing any sleep at night.[/QUOTE]

lUV,

I have to say this. Do you know who started SWAPA, or requested it to happen? Do you know who helped the company make money in relationship to trip rigs and what person got fired from that (in mgt). Do you understand the sacrifice the 3 and 4 digits guy's made to make this airline what it is today? You don't know the working relationship we have with mgt? It is tight brother. I worry about your personality. the reason why is because I smell kiss azz. Thats not how we roll at SWA. We work as a team.

WE work together! Trust me. It's called success sharing.

 

[jonjuan]

Please Stop sounding like an idiot. YOU WANT SWAPA's CONTRACT. SWAPA got that for its members. It didn't come free, it wasn't a handout from Southwest. We spent millions on our section ONE alone. This very section that is protecting us (SWAPA) Pilots. We got rid of Skywest, right?
Claiming that SWAPA had nothing to do with where we are now it just a huge slap in the face and I find it insulting, which makes me want to insult you further.... then I grind my teeth at night and its not good.

Speaking of idiot. Herbs vision gave you your contract. Period. Quit thinking you were largely influential in it. Sure, you were a partner, however if Herb or GK decided they wanted to change tactics and line their pockets, you, like ALPA, would have had little say.
You got lucky-good on ya, but don't think for a second that you are any better than anyone else in the industry.

 

[scoreboardII]

I don't for a minute think anyone says SWA is better, it's just being proud of what they have now. What do they have? A contract which dollar for dollar over the years has grown at inflation pace to keep the exact same relative pay today that SWA pilots had in 1973. In other words, an hourly rate today of $211 was $38 in 1971. That shows you how crappy this industry has been for decades.

 

[jonjuan]

I don't for a minute think anyone says SWA is better, it's just being proud of what they have now. What do they have? A contract which dollar for dollar over the years has grown at inflation pace to keep the exact same relative pay today that SWA pilots had in 1973. That shows you how crappy this industry has been for decades.

Most rational post I have seen on the subject to date. Great to be proud of the company which allowed you all this. However, it's the business model which allowed the growth and profits. As part and parcel, I have heard here that swapa specifically didn't allow the company to outsource, aka regional jets, however, it was never part of their point to point model as it was with the major model of hub- based flying.
SWA has created the environment for its pilots to gain significant contract improvements. Great for the industry. Gary, however, has decided to forego organic growth to gain a significant foothold in Atlanta, the Caribbean, and New York. He saw and still sees the upside outweighing the downside, even when he he figured there would be a hard fought SLI. He saw his future at coworkers as SWA co- workers, otherwise he would not have pulled the trigger.