FLOPS Strike ballots are being sent out !!!

[William Holiday]

Whoaaa, that's a big number......Looks like you were right !!

 

[corpflunkie]

Is that speculation, or the official results?

 

[jetwash]

90 percent returned the ballots and of those 90 percent voted YES

In message from the Union

 

[fracjack]

90 percent returned the ballots and of those 90 percent voted YES

In message from the Union

The real telling number is not percentage but votes and I don't think we will see that.
At least the correct message is sent.
Read into that whatever you flippin wish.

 

[Joe Jet Pilot]

.................................

 

[jonjuan]

90 percent returned the ballots and of those 90 percent voted YES

In message from the Union

So what's the actual number?

 

[Ticker]

So you buy the universal remote, then you unlock the ... what??? unlock the what???

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Now this is how you spend your Atlantic Bucks!! :beer:

 

[HLPilot]

Reports on the vote, as far as I know, is never given out in numbers just percent. Those that not in good standing can not vote on the contract anyway. I guess there are leaders and there are followers. At least the followers by a wide margin know not to cross the picket line, if it comes to that. They know what would happen to there career and dreams would be very ugly.

 

[netjetwife]

Kudos to the Flt Ops pilots and families! Your determination and willingness to stand up for yourselves and the frac industry do you credit. Hang in there! There's light at the end of the tunnel. Best Wishes, NJW

 

[Flyingdog1]

You have the vote. So what happens now?

 

[skanza]

90 percent returned the ballots and of those 90 percent voted YES

In message from the Union

First - a message from the union is not centered or reliable.
2nd - the 90% of returned ballots they speak of are from dues-paying union folks, which make up ~ 40% of the pilot group. Doesn't seem like a strike would happen with those kinds of numbers.

But I guess since I'm not a union supporter you would call my message un-centered and unreliable (as I know some of you will). But I am centered, it just doesn't look that way from deep within the union crotch which you people are looking out from.

Its like politics, If you're not right - you must be left and visa-versa. But that's not always the case. This is the stance that only the ones on the extreme edges take because they're so far out.

Fools.

 

[Heavy Set]

Time to SCREW over FLOPS management. Stick it to them! What a bunch of idiots - this is a service business and you need to keep the front-line, customer facing employees happy. Simple as that.

GOOD LUCK GUYS!

 

[OldCrow]

First - a message from the union is not centered or reliable.
2nd - the 90% of returned ballots they speak of are from dues-paying union folks, which make up ~ 40% of the pilot group. Doesn't seem like a strike would happen with those kinds of numbers.

But I guess since I'm not a union supporter you would call my message un-centered and unreliable (as I know some of you will). But I am centered, it just doesn't look that way from deep within the union crotch which you people are looking out from.

Its like politics, If you're not right - you must be left and visa-versa. But that's not always the case. This is the stance that only the ones on the extreme edges take because they're so far out.


Fools.

If you think we are only 40% of the Pilot group, you are not only a fool, but I really doubt you spend any time in our jets, or doing crew rot with our crews...you don't have a clue, on SO many levels.

 

[Pervis]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if only 40% were MIGS and a strike happens, wouldn't those who cross, MIGS or not, clearly be scabs? Assuming that's the case, I'll bet the majority of ALL pilots won't cross the line to avoid that label.

 

[Narrow Bridge]

First - a message from the union is not centered or reliable.
2nd - the 90% of returned ballots they speak of are from dues-paying union folks, which make up ~ 40% of the pilot group. Doesn't seem like a strike would happen with those kinds of numbers.

But I guess since I'm not a union supporter you would call my message un-centered and unreliable (as I know some of you will). But I am centered, it just doesn't look that way from deep within the union crotch which you people are looking out from.

Its like politics, If you're not right - you must be left and visa-versa. But that's not always the case. This is the stance that only the ones on the extreme edges take because they're so far out.

Fools.

I think you are on to something Skanza. I'm not sure how many pilots we currently have, but I'll call it 400. If 40% are migs, thats 160 pilots. If 90% of them voted, thats 144 pilots. And 90% of them voted yes, thats 130 pilots. That means 170 are not in favor of this joke of union. Go ahead and strike guys, myself and 169 others are going to work. Not to mention the tons we have on furlough. Looks like we are the majority.

 

[William Holiday]

I think you are on to something Skanza. I'm not sure how many pilots we currently have, but I'll call it 400. If 40% are migs, thats 160 pilots. If 90% of them voted, thats 144 pilots. And 90% of them voted yes, thats 130 pilots. That means 170 are not in favor of this joke of union. Go ahead and strike guys, myself and 169 others are going to work. Not to mention the tons we have on furlough. Looks like we are the majority.[/QUOTE

I like your new math.

 

[Narrow Bridge]

If you think we are only 40% of the Pilot group, you are not only a fool, but I really doubt you spend any time in our jets, or doing crew rot with our crews...you don't have a clue, on SO many levels.

The number of migs will never be known. There is no way the union would ever tell the real number because it is so low. It reminds me of when the Iraq Ministry of Information was saying US troops had not taken the airport and everthing was fine. In the mean time we were in complete control of it. The union is our Ministry of Mis-Information.

 

[William Holiday]

The number of migs will never be known. There is no way the union would ever tell the real number because it is so low. It reminds me of when the Iraq Ministry of Information was saying US troops had not taken the airport and everthing was fine. In the mean time we were in complete control of it. The union is our Ministry of Mis-Information.

Ha........I like that, mis-information. Maybe those numbers are toooo large. Who knows, not you that's for sure. Anyway at this point, if the 1108 walks..................They walk..............for the few that don't....SCAB FOREVER. is any job worth that rep.....I don't think so.
IMHO

 

[William Holiday]

Fire Away.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if only 40% were MIGS and a strike happens, wouldn't those who cross, MIGS or not, clearly be scabs? Assuming that's the case, I'll bet the majority of ALL pilots won't cross the line to avoid that label.

What Skanza and others may not realize is that those on furlough who were MIGs before being furloughed are eligible to vote. Everyone I keep in touch with who was furloughed supports a strike. We have over 200 on the street and I would guess about 75% were MIGs before the furlough.

If a strike happens all who cross will be scabs.

 

[William Holiday]

What Skanza and others may not realize is that those on furlough who were MIGs before being furloughed are eligible to vote. Everyone I keep in touch with who was furloughed supports a strike. We have over 200 on the street and I would guess about 75% were MIGs before the furlough.

If a strike happens all who cross will be scabs.

Do you hear that.....Skanza and NB/Red Eye.....SCAB/SUCKER/STUPID FOOL.....THink of your CAREER.....Think down the long road, not the short one.
This thing is done, the 1108 already knows what it is going to do. No matter what you or I has to say about it. It's up to bigger heads then you or me. TA/OPT coud have put this thing down years ago. They decided not to....They requested and received this fight....! GOD SPEED JOHN GLEN.

 

[B19 Flyer]

This ole train is gonna keep on rolling, right on down the line....

Kudos to the Flt Ops pilots and families! Your determination and willingness to stand up for yourselves and the frac industry do you credit. Hang in there! There's light at the end of the tunnel. Best Wishes, NJW

And as always, you fail to tell them that the light at the end of the tunnel is that big old train coming from the other direction that is going to put them and the rest of the company on the full-time unemployment line.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'm sorry, did somebody say something?

Seriously though. What is the timeline now? I'm familiar with RLA.

Negotiating impasse declared, binding arbitration offered, rejected, 30 day cooling off, self help (I think I got them all). Question is, where are FLOPS and 1108 in that timeline? Anyone?

 

[jetwash]

If there is not a TA by the end of the next negotiation round which ends on the 30th that is when the impasse will probably be declared.
If it goes to a cooling off period we are looking at the first few days of December when we will be in a legal strike position.

 

[chainring]

I think you are on to something Skanza. I'm not sure how many pilots we currently have, but I'll call it 400. If 40% are migs, thats 160 pilots. If 90% of them voted, thats 144 pilots. And 90% of them voted yes, thats 130 pilots. That means 170 are not in favor of this joke of union. Go ahead and strike guys, myself and 169 others are going to work. Not to mention the tons we have on furlough. Looks like we are the majority.[/QUOTE

I like your new math.

You better rethink that logic. Just because a pilot isnt a MIGS doesnt mean he doesnt support the union. The whole thing of paying dues before a contract is the only reason many pilots are not in good standing. I have talked to many pilots who I know are not in good standing but will not cross a picket line.

My guess is probably 75 to 80% of the pilots will not cross.

 

[lookin4better]

If he flew struck work, wouldn't that make him a scab?

The ONLY person who will be a SCAB is one that is hired by FLOPS as a new hire and pilots a FLOPS airplane. Some have other fantasies...... but thats the only definition of a SCAB.

If AA goes on strike and passengers are re-booked on all the other airlines are the pilots flying the "struck work" SCABS? I think not.... its a pipe dream.

 

[Pervis]

The ONLY person who will be a SCAB is one that is hired by FLOPS as a new hire and pilots a FLOPS airplane. Some have other fantasies...... but thats the only definition of a SCAB.

If AA goes on strike and passengers are re-booked on all the other airlines are the pilots flying the "struck work" SCABS? I think not.... its a pipe dream.

I believe you are wrong. Any pilot currently employed at FLOPS who crosses the line during a strike is also a scab. I do agree any pilots hired during a strike who cross the line are also scabs.

 

[lookin4better]

I believe you are wrong. Any pilot currently employed at FLOPS who crosses the line during a strike is also a scab. I do agree any pilots hired during a strike who cross the line are also scabs.

I stand corrected.... that person would also be a scab. There is someone on here with some pipe dream that charter pilots could possibly fly "struck work" and be scabs....

I say this... I will hand them my busines card to get my name correct. And the little list that some may make using this myth of "struck work" will mean nothing then or in the future. Im not losing my job because of this company-pilot fight... I wish them the best but im not getting fired from a non-union job because of them. That being said I would never cross a line if I was a FLOPS pilot or would I go there to fly there airplanes....but people cant arbitrarily make up there own definition and scope of the word scab.

 

[lookin4better]

*their airplanes... oops

 

[skyismyoffice]

I stand corrected.... that person would also be a scab. There is someone on here with some pipe dream that charter pilots could possibly fly "struck work" and be scabs....

I say this... I will hand them my busines card to get my name correct. And the little list that some may make using this myth of "struck work" will mean nothing then or in the future. Im not losing my job because of this company-pilot fight... I wish them the best but im not getting fired from a non-union job because of them. That being said I would never cross a line if I was a FLOPS pilot or would I go there to fly there airplanes....but people cant arbitrarily make up there own definition and scope of the word scab.

OK how about this...I'm a furloughed FLOPs pilot currently working with x Charter Company. FLOPs hires my company to do a trip. Am I a scab because I'm furloughed from FLOPs?