Air France Flight Missing

[Flightjock30]

ahahah what a Limie that guy is!

 

[flythere]

Gonna make a guess, if that aircraft went down in the Atlantic, the US Navy knows or will know the approximate location within a couple of days. With the vast SOSUS network in the Atlantic, if a large enough section of the aircraft hit the water, they should be able to triangulate a location where it went in. I've read the depth out there can be up to 3 miles!

May they rest in peace!!

 

[Fly91]

I am sure no matter what, the entire flight crew did all they could to save it!!!!!!!!! At least give them and their families that much! I am sure that the CREW did not ask to die!

Lightning damages electrical equipment...heavy turbulence damages airframes.

Heavy thunderstorms produce both.

They had electrical problems and loss of cabin pressure.

Two pilots made horrible decisions to fly into HEAVY thunderstorms.

Chaulk another crash up to "pilot error." We're never gonna reverse this damn trend.

Feel bad for all those people that died because of a stupid decision.

 

[pilot error]

Lightning damages electrical equipment...heavy turbulence damages airframes.

Heavy thunderstorms produce both.

They had electrical problems and loss of cabin pressure.

Two pilots made horrible decisions to fly into HEAVY thunderstorms.

Chaulk another crash up to "pilot error." We're never gonna reverse this damn trend.

Feel bad for all those people that died because of a stupid decision.

that post alone ought to create another 10 pages.

 

[Fly91]

that post alone ought to create another 10 pages.

Well, regardless of how many people here or anywhere like to praise pilots NO MATTER WHAT.....pilot error is the leading cause of air crashes. Its the topic that should be the most talked about and the most focus should be put on the subject. What is it up to now, like 88% pilot error for crashes.

I know why they flew into that thunderstorm....but I'm not gonna talk about that, because that will cause 10 pages of crap.

Air crashes will never reach zero, but its not getting better for some reasons, its getting worse when it comes to pilot error. Its over looked and not talked about so we don't hurt peoples feelings.

 

[olympus593]

Well, regardless of how many people here or anywhere like to praise pilots NO MATTER WHAT.....pilot error is the leading cause of air crashes. Its the topic that should be the most talked about and the most focus should be put on the subject. What is it up to now, like 88% pilot error for crashes.

I know why they flew into that thunderstorm....but I'm not gonna talk about that, because that will cause 10 pages of crap.

Air crashes will never reach zero, but its not getting better for some reasons, its getting worse when it comes to pilot error. Its over looked and not talked about so we don't hurt peoples feelings.

Since you know it all no need for an investigation, it's already pilot error. What if they had an inflight fire?

 

[Fly91]

Since you know it all no need for an investigation, it's already pilot error. What if they had an inflight fire?

They would have made at least one radio call for that. You'll see, they'll find a debris field tomorrow. Catastrophic failure.

 

[olympus593]

They would have made at least one radio call for that. You'll see, they'll find a debris field tomorrow. Catastrophic failure.

With The HF radio? Doesn't work that well, that why position report across the pond ( On AF anyway ) are automatic, a satellite track and report the plane location every hour. A fire in flight would lead to bus failure and depressurization very quickly.

 

[SLUF4]

How can you be so sure of the cause there Fly91? I heard on the news on the way in to work about 8 hours after the disappearance that the authorities have ruled out sabotage already-and they still haven't found the plane! So many conclusions without even a bit of the aircraft found.

 

[Dizel8]

I know why they flew into that thunderstorm....but I'm not gonna talk about that, because that will cause 10 pages of crap.

Oh please do, I am sure we would love to hear why and I am sure the French NTSB would love your assistance?

 

[ron burgundy]

The above is quoted from an AP article of two hours ago. What interested me was mention of the "automatic" message. I have no idea what the timeline mentioned is based upon (previous position reports, deviation request, etc), but does the A-330 or any 'bus or other modern type have some sort of last gasp data transmission with loss of major systems, something that doesn't require crew input? If so, it seems like a pretty good idea. Or is this an author taking a little journalistic license with the use of the word "automatic"?

Godspeed to all involved.

FOQWA data can be uplinked via a satelite system. The FOQWA system can/is specific to the operator. However I would guess that Air France has tailored their software to automatically transmit all ECAMs. Considering they do more over waters in a month than many carriers combined do in a year.... they likely transmit dozens of parameters a flight hour to the frogs back in Paris.[/QUOTE]

Would lat/long info be sent with this data transmission?

May god be with them.

 

[sat74]

I have DH on AF many many times from Africa and other less developed countries and have made many friends over the years who fly their A330s. Their crews were always beyond professional and displayed the utmost professional courtesy. I mourn for their loss...A tragic loss for all of us.

 

[Crossky]

This link is a very interesting meteorological analysis of the conditions present in the area where AF447 presumably went down, where the automatic messages where sent from. Very detailed information, this guy really seems to know what he is talking about.

Tim Vasquez weather page on AF447. God speed.

BTW he favors the theory that the airframe failed due to exposure to severe and prolonged severe turbulence.

 

[Flying the Line]

I like this webpage.http://avherald.com/h?article=41a81ef1&opt=0or go to www.avherald.com if the link doesn't work.

 

[OneBadLT123]

With the depths of the ocean ranging up to 15000 feet, it may be possible that they may never find enough wreckage or even the black boxes to come to an accurate conclusion

 

[Mr Chub]

CNN just reported wreckage just found 435 miles off coast of Rio de Janeiro.

Theory: lightning strike at 2200 failing certain electrical systems, including weather radar. They are flying blind in regards to WX detection. Unable to contact anyone due to weak radio transmission. They also have their hands full flying the aircraft in moderate to severe turbulance while trying to fix the electrical problem. They inadvertently end up in a cell with tops to 50K. Severe turbulence causes airframe failure 14 minutes after initial electrical failure at 2214.

Godspeed...

 

[flyboyike]

If the shoe fits wear it.
Now beat it you rj gear jerking piece of ********************!

Or what?

 

[poppi]

New information provided by sources within Air France suggests, that the ACARS messages of system failures started to arrive at 02:10Z indicating, that the autopilot had disengaged and the fly by wire system had changed to alternate law. Between 02:11Z and 02:13Z a flurry of messages regarding ADIRU and ISIS faults arrived, at 02:13Z PRIM 1 and SEC 1 faults were indicated, at 02:14Z the last message received was an advisory regarding cabin vertical speed. That sequence of messages could not be independently verified."

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

How 'bout you people who want to take pot-shots at each other take it to another thread or PMs? Let's keep this thread on the Air France flight, okay?

 

[hawk996]

Wow poppi,

If all that is legit, Bad, Bad, Bad. Not something you want over the middle of the atlantic sea in WX.

GOD speed 447