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[PuffDriver]

EXACTLY. Which is why any pilot with the attitude like puffdriver gets zero sympathy from me. You reap what you sow. Your fault, not mine.

Who's looking for sympathy? I am merely trying to explain why the regional career guys are about to get a sharp dose of reality in their paychecks, and that there is a very good chance that 70+ seat flying will come back into the mainline fold, and to not be surprised by it. It was, is, and always will be the property of mainline. IMO, the last agreement stepped over the line with the rank and file, and they are going to redraw it.

It's coming, and IMO there will be some regional guys who benefit from it, and most definitely some who will not. I know you guys like playing the martyr, but you are appealing to emotions that I do not have. Been there, done it, got the patch.

 

[Moustache]

It's the same argument. Whether it's a Saab 340, a EMB 175, or 747-400, it's Delta flying and should be flown by Delta pilots.

You just prefer to see it a different way.

Who does Delta fly for? I've heard a lot about it lately.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

What should be done, and the reality of what can be done are two different things. I see it from a realist standpoint, and from the standpoint of actually being here.

As much as I hate to admit it, Puff is correct. One thing that many pilots fail to consider is the political landscape of ALPA. What we want and what can be achieved today are two different things. At ALPA we represent both the Mainline and regional pilots, at DALPA we represent the senior and junior pilots. What this means is there is a conflict and how much negotiating capital should be expelled on this. The senior guys care about scope to a point, but are not going to sacrifice a pay raise to take it all back, where as the junior guy is willing to risk it all. Varying desires and the political winds of ALPA must come in to play with this. DALPA represents the interests of the Delta pilot, and ALPA represents the interest of the regional and mainline pilot. In effect a quagmire.
What can be achieved today is a stepping stone for future advances in scope and list integration. Should we abandon that pursuit if it only goes half way? I think not.

 

[Nightrain_080]

upgrades

Are upgrades looking about 15 years out? :beer:

 

[WWEfan]

Mesa sucks!

 

[Speedtape]

Who's looking for sympathy? I am merely trying to explain why the regional career guys are about to get a sharp dose of reality in their paychecks, and that there is a very good chance that 70+ seat flying will come back into the mainline fold, and to not be surprised by it. It was, is, and always will be the property of mainline. IMO, the last agreement stepped over the line with the rank and file, and they are going to redraw it.

It's coming, and IMO there will be some regional guys who benefit from it, and most definitely some who will not. I know you guys like playing the martyr, but you are appealing to emotions that I do not have. Been there, done it, got the patch.

What are you puffing on? When this economy continues the downward spiral--you may not upgrade for another 10 years.

 

[imacdog]

Amazing how mainline pilots will only talk with their regional partners when it's to the benefit of Mainline pilots. Some profession, isn't it?

 

[imacdog]

What can be achieved today is a stepping stone for future advances in scope and list integration. Should we abandon that pursuit if it only goes half way? I think not.

Especially when the mainline pilots end up on the better "half".

 

[PuffDriver]

Amazing how mainline pilots will only talk with their regional partners when it's to the benefit of Mainline pilots. Some profession, isn't it?

WE did talk. WE were summarily dismissed due to a couple of groups thinking that they had more leverage than they did. Now they have furloughs.

Your going to get what you get. If you don't want it, your going to get worse.

Accept the inevitable or spend the rest of your life
:bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

Don't really care either way.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Puff is a CA, my upgrade might be 10 years down the road.

One thing you need to realize over here. It is more about QOL that the stripes. Heck we have a guy on the 767 domestic here in ATL that is 600 or so on the seniority list that is hanging out in the right seat. When guys can make 130K a year in the right seat, some of the motivation to move up goes away.

See many think that the DAL guys are quacking in their pants over getting furloughed and that is the only reason they are talking to the regional guys. Wrong. That perception created the same ego based issues that killed this last time. Timing is coincidental. See we are done with 1113C and the merger issues related to us. Just so happens that we are in a recession.