Pinnacle Delta Flow-through

[ACL65PILOT]

And as you well know--that turn is totally dependent on the readiness, attitude, and efficiency of the Above Wing and Below Wing, fellow team members. Oops, those are now mainline employees, and in Atlanta usually the new hires!

25 minute turns are very possible--the flight crews are generally not the problem. However, there is no recovery time if the flight is running late.

Do you still cross seat belts on your 767?

If I tried to go anywhere near a seat when the cleaners are on board, I would be killed. I have never seen such quick motivated individuals who get paid by the hr. I have seen them clean a trashed 767 in under five minutes. The most difficult thing about turning a 767 in min time is getting to the flight deck while they are boarding.

FWIW. I have turned a 757 in 24 min and a 767 in 33. It can be done.

 

[DoinTime]

If I tried to go anywhere near a seat when the cleaners are on board, I would be killed. I have never seen such quick motivated individuals who get paid by the hr. I have seen them clean a trashed 767 in under five minutes. The most difficult thing about turning a 767 in min time is getting to the flight deck while they are boarding.

Unfortunately, the lowest cost bidder on regional services does not share this motivation. If Delta gets poor service from their regional partners the only one to blame is Delta.


[/quote]FWIW. I have turned a 757 in 24 min and a 767 in 33. It can be done.[/QUOTE]

Its not worth anything but for the record I've turned a Saab in 4 minutes and a CRJ in 9.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe, there are some years that we will need to hire over 800 just to keep up with attrition.

I agree that if we hire the next few years it will be small. Now starting in 2012 the game is on. We will start and probably not stop for 20 years.

Post the attrition numbers for the next 10 years.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 329
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 644
2021 829
2022 869
2023 821
2024 809
2025 722
2026 622
2027 514
2028 480
2029 477
2030 493
2031 435
2032 329
2033 259
2034 166
2035 108

After 2035 it goes to less than 100 a year.

 

[PCL_128]

How can you have retirements in the next few years? Those must be old age 60 numbers.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

NWA had 50+(over 60) flying S/O in Anc or on long term sick when the rule changed. Now, as they miraculously are healed or their training freeze on the whale is up they can bid back to whatever their seniority can hold.

 

[701EV]

Hey Puff your kidding right!

Who runs Comair? DELTA!

Who ran ASA up until two years ago? DELTA!

Who gave MESA a contract? DELTA!

Above and below wing on C and D concourse in ATL? DELTA!

Delta has the dumbest management I ever seen!

If the above and below the wing folks want to work you can turn airplane fast. My record in ATL with a crew swap is 31 mins.


701EV

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[PCL_128]

NWA had 50+(over 60) flying S/O in Anc or on long term sick when the rule changed. Now, as they miraculously are healed or their training freeze on the whale is up they can bid back to whatever their seniority can hold.

Ahhh, I see. That makes sense. I had forgotten about the geezer NWA panel jockeys.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

We have already had eight or nine retire this year already.

Joe you wanted numbers, there you are. Fact is that we have a lot of hiring to do the next 20 years.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

FWIW. I have turned a 757 in 24 min and a 767 in 33. It can be done.

Not on D-Concourse. I'd be happy if I can get parked in 24 minutes over there.

ACL, things on D have gotten really bad as of late. There is a huge difference in the work habits of your crews on T, A and B Concourses. C isn't too bad, but D is absolutely pathetic again...and guess where the majority of our flights are parked right now?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yeah, D is the bottom bidders. They also buddy bid to work zones over there. Of course as with everything they blame it on on the design and not the real issues. Classic middle management YCA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

We have already had eight or nine retire this year already.

Joe you wanted numbers, there you are. Fact is that we have a lot of hiring to do the next 20 years.

Yes and they confirm my belief that there won't be much hiring the next 10 years....especially the next 5 years. You are looking out past 10 years...I was probably over on my 350 per year guess..

Most of what will be hired in those 10 years are already spoken for in the Compass and Mesaba flowthrough agreements....

 

[crj567]

We turn a 757 in 45 to 50 minutes. A 767 in an hr. There is no reason not to be able to turn a 50/70/or 76 seat jet in 25 mins.
I did that all of the time.

-Now I KNOW you are completely full of crap.... You can't get the damn jetway to pull up to you and let the first person off within that amount of time!

-Most of the things that happen during a turn in ATL are way beyond the control of a flt crew.... DAL rampers who have to wake up and shuffle out to the roadway at.00000003 feet per min, lazy DAL gate agents saunter out in their "liberty bell" hats after 15 mins or so, and slack-ass fueling, bag-handling, and every other freaking service supposed to be done to one of these planes-all with three wheelchairs and a carry-off..... Lazy flight crews-indeed.

-if DAL can get anyone to clean a 767 in 5 mins., they really need to consider using whatever the hell motivation you claim to witness on other airplanes..... (I guess cleaning people just get so excited at the prospect of cleaning a BIG airplane commanded by such obviously gifted, talented, and well-compensated airmen....)

-If you think ANYONE buys your B.S., you are as gullible as you are arrogant.

 

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[CRJFlyer]

wouldn't it be more appropriate to say "I've seen a 25 min. turn." I doubt very much you've turned a plane in 25....were you back there cleaning, throwing bags etc... give credit to those that actually did the work...you haven't done squat.... your fellow D employees may have....

Now a regional guy and his FA can boast about actually performing a quick turn.

 

[DoinTime]

How can you have retirements in the next few years? Those must be old age 60 numbers.

ROP's from Northwest that held on to the back seat of the 747 classic before age 65 rule took effect.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

wouldn't it be more appropriate to say "I've seen a 25 min. turn." I doubt very much you've turned a plane in 25....were you back there cleaning, throwing bags etc... give credit to those that actually did the work...you haven't done squat.... your fellow D employees may have....

Now a regional guy and his FA can boast about actually performing a quick turn.

Quite true, I do not do anything but push buttons and get drinks, maybe eat a sandwich. I have seen them turn a jet that quick.

Also, CRJ567, if you call the passenger service freq when you enter the ramp, there will be a jet way driver there.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

-Now I KNOW you are completely full of crap.... You can't get the damn jetway to pull up to you and let the first person off within that amount of time!

-Most of the things that happen during a turn in ATL are way beyond the control of a flt crew.... DAL rampers who have to wake up and shuffle out to the roadway at.00000003 feet per min, lazy DAL gate agents saunter out in their "liberty bell" hats after 15 mins or so, and slack-ass fueling, bag-handling, and every other freaking service supposed to be done to one of these planes-all with three wheelchairs and a carry-off..... Lazy flight crews-indeed.

-if DAL can get anyone to clean a 767 in 5 mins., they really need to consider using whatever the hell motivation you claim to witness on other airplanes..... (I guess cleaning people just get so excited at the prospect of cleaning a BIG airplane commanded by such obviously gifted, talented, and well-compensated airmen....)

-If you think ANYONE buys your B.S., you are as gullible as you are arrogant.

Man you have a bone to pick with everyone. I have seen, not see on a regular basis. Never said it was in ATL either. Go to those Central American destinations and they go above and beyond. ATL is another story. There is no fixin that.

f you guys want to do quick turns in ATL do what DAL does. Pilots do a quick turn, FA does not stay with you. She sits after each leg inbound for about two to three hrs. They board before you get there. You just show up and do you stuff. It takes a lot of work for scheduling, but it makes our day go by much better.

 

[Speedtape]

Usually, as you know, the F/A does can not walk right off the aircraft at ASA, like at mainline. She/he/they still have about 15 minutes of work to do after the last passenger gets off. That makes it real hard to do a quick turn or a/c swap.

 

[flyboyike]

Whenever I see or hear the word "flowthrough", I immediately start thinking "How bad can this deal screw me?" Everyone I've seen so far does little more than put the regional guy under the ax the minute mainline so much as twitches, while giving him only a mild possibility of a mainline seniority number and even that only if things at mainline are going really really really good and they're done hiring everyone else.

Way more trouble than it's worth, IMHO.