SCOPE at DELTA

[Fly4hire]

Let's be realistic here guys. The LOA allowing this is probably already in the works. It will be signed before the union makes a statement just like the last one.

I have it on good authority they did not know in advance and learned about it shortly after it broke over on APC.

Given the sentiment, and that it would be political suicide to do another behind the scenes deal on Scope, I think this one will get a full airing with the MEC.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I have it on good authority they did not know in advance and learned about it shortly after it broke over on APC.

Given the sentiment, and that it would be political suicide to do another behind the scenes deal on Scope, I think this one will get a full airing with the MEC.

I really hope you are right. We need to be proactive and start filing grievances now to stop the process. I'd say this memo is proof of intent to blatantly break our contract. Even if nothing comes of it, it gives us a stronger case later.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is the point. We need to give the company and DCI notice that this mod is in direct violation of our contract. If they choose to go ahead with it, the damages we are given in arbitration will be greater than waiting for them to actually violate it.

 

[PuffDriver]

I have it on good authority they did not know in advance and learned about it shortly after it broke over on APC.

Given the sentiment, and that it would be political suicide to do another behind the scenes deal on Scope, I think this one will get a full airing with the MEC.

Just by being certified, those jets violate our scope clause. Letter has been mailed to the reps.

an excerpt:


Section 1 B. 40. d. jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats and certificated
in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less
(“76-seat jets”).

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Exactly. I have sent one too. A few days ago our reps seemed to be completely taken by surprise by this.

 

[TAWS]

I just checked in to look at this thread, after 2 weeks of "swearing off" the BS at FI.

How ironic that 2 products of scope relief (Superpilot and PeanuckeCRJ) are the 2 cheerleaders of scope NOW!!

While I agree that scope is a major problem, I can't stand A$$kissers like these 2, suddenly pretending that they were born into the right seat at DAL.....(or wherever they are now).

Any of you guys that came from an RJ should probably STFU, as you guys were part of the problem prior to becoming a "Major Pilot". To all the others who have suffered and watched as their their careers were negatively impacted by scope creep, I apologize.

To all those such as SuperPilot and PeanuckleCRJ, get a F---ing life!!

Rant over.........................

 

[hockeypilot44]

I just checked in to look at this thread, after 2 weeks of "swearing off" the BS at FI.

How ironic that 2 products of scope relief (Superpilot and PeanuckeCRJ) are the 2 cheerleaders of scope NOW!!

While I agree that scope is a major problem, I can't stand A$$kissers like these 2, suddenly pretending that they were born into the right seat at DAL.....(or wherever they are now).

Any of you guys that came from an RJ should probably STFU, as you guys were part of the problem prior to becoming a "Major Pilot". To all the others who have suffered and watched as their their careers were negatively impacted by scope creep, I apologize.

To all those such as SuperPilot and PeanuckleCRJ, get a F---ing life!!

Rant over.........................

I have nothing but the utmost respect for most regional pilots. We are all pilots. I do not blame scope erosion on you. I am placing the blame on our unions. We need to make a stand. It would be nice if the IBT would step in and threaten Republic knowing that it is in violation of another union's contract. I know this will never happens. Unions are about collecting dues. The people running the unions are extremely overpaid for what they do, and they will not risk losing their cushy jobs for anything. Some unity would be nice though.

 

[Superpilot92]

I just checked in to look at this thread, after 2 weeks of "swearing off" the BS at FI.

How ironic that 2 products of scope relief (Superpilot and PeanuckeCRJ) are the 2 cheerleaders of scope NOW!!

While I agree that scope is a major problem, I can't stand A$$kissers like these 2, suddenly pretending that they were born into the right seat at DAL.....(or wherever they are now).

Any of you guys that came from an RJ should probably STFU, as you guys were part of the problem prior to becoming a "Major Pilot". To all the others who have suffered and watched as their their careers were negatively impacted by scope creep, I apologize.

To all those such as SuperPilot and PeanuckleCRJ, get a F---ing life!!

Rant over.........................

Hey D-Bag,

I have been a advocate of protecting scope even before i made the move over to mainline. The only difference is that now i can actually try to be part of the solution instead of talking about it from the sideline.

You just said you "admit its a major problem" but yet choose to bad mouth those that are trying to fix the problem. Would you prefer it be a "major problem" and no one do anything about it?

Whats the real underlying issue here? Are you just pissy that guys like he and i have moved on and you haven't yet? I mean, you yourself said you agree scope is an issue, so why attack us for trying to fix it?

Take care sweet cheeks

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

When I got hired at the regional we were limited to 44 seats on most of our CRJ's and a certain amount of 50's. I believed that to be the maximum appropriate to protect mainline jobs- although personal beliefs held that regionals should have been left to turboprops.... and before anyone comments, this was long before the realities of the Q400.

I harshly chastized anyone at my company who thought scope relief was a good idea to help Pinnacle fly "bigger planes." I promptly educated them that was their chance (and of course mine) of getting hired at a major getting flushed down the drain as larger regional jets get outsourced.

The trend of flying larger regional jets increased in bankruptcy, unfortunately. I saw all the 44 seaters get converted to 50s.

Now that I'm at a major and actually have a bit more of a say in all this crap, I'm trying to make a positive difference in this career and reverse the trend. (remember everyone on here blames the majors for the problem, how about being the solution?)

TAWS, would you rather be flying that 170/5 at a regional for 60 dollars an hour (30 for FO), or at a major for 100+ dollars an hour (65 or so for FO)?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

FWIW, my career and upgrade was not a product of scope relief, I was hired and upgraded under the much stricter scope of the NWA 1998 contract.