SCOPE at DELTA

[BUDDHA145]

I hate to say it, but every time I fly on Delta Connection I realize how important it is to say no on any scope relief.

Thank GOD!!! you didn't have to mix your self with does connection undersibles, cosider your self lucky going from a PIC C-152 to B-737!!!!!

But has an undersible make sure you pass the word of your resend epiphany to your fellowship and stop giving "SCOPE" away like you and all legacies are doing or I garante that the undersible's will be parking CRJ-1000 and E-190 next to your little guppy...

remember we counting on you...

 

[imacdog]

That's is our deal FIN. Problem is that management is not making money at DCI, DALPA wants DCI to make money, one way to do this is to increase those weights.
I pray we do not allow this, but past actions dictate future ones. I hope we shoot this down, but I have my doubts. It will be more capable than an 88 or a 9. Now that is a mainline jet. It give more creditability to that resolution that was passed on the 13th doesn't it?
Local 20 guys do not forget that you have a few coming up in your meeting here next week.

If we cave on this, there is no excuse to say that DALPA is fighting scope. Look at the actions and watch their feet.

Good luck with that. You guys will cave just like you have time and time again.

 

[Popeye0537]

We limit on seats AND weight. We only allow the CPS jets to operate at these weights.

Just wondering but why aren't you up in arms at allowing Compass fly those weights at their $hitty rates?

 

[Flyer1015]

Can someone invent a time machine to go back in the early 90s and take scope (and RJs) back once and for all?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Just wondering but why aren't you up in arms at allowing Compass fly those weights at their $hitty rates?

They are part of the contract and were grandfathered in with the JPWA.

Dead horse. Great flow through......

 

[flyboyike]

I pray we do not allow this, but past actions dictate future ones.

They certainly do.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Can someone invent a time machine to go back in the early 90s and take scope (and RJs) back once and for all?

You need the time machine to go back to the 80s....However when you get there, you will get to hear the inflated mainline ego tell you that they don't want to fly "little" airplanes....

 

[PuffDriver]

You need the time machine to go back to the 80s....However when you get there, you will get to hear the inflated mainline ego tell you that they don't want to fly "little" airplanes....

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

 

[dispatchguy]

my Grievance will be submitted on April 1st. everyone else should do the same.

Is the significance of that day a coincidence, or more than that...?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

April 1 is the date this latest bullcrap is set to become active. The moment one of those planes flies at this certification, then you can grieve it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

And they said that there would be no issue with Scope and the 76 seat limit. It did not even take two weeks.

 

[tbkane]

Both NYC reps are "looking into it". I can't believe that the company and Moak will try to rub our noses in this when it is still sore from the last one. We need to get these airplanes at mainline.

 

[flyboyike]

You know, when I suggest that mainliners will keep caving in on scope, I get told that they "are not in a giving mood". And then...

 

[Metro752]

Just waiting to see what the Delta guys will give up this time.

 

[Fly4hire]

And they said that there would be no issue with Scope and the 76 seat limit. It did not even take two weeks.

They may not have known until the news broke over on APC - the FAA Limit Cert was dated 9 March, and the memo 19 March.

Let's see what the reaction and action from the MEC is on this.

One thing IS for sure - I don't think these moves by management are unintentional, and so far the Score is 0-1 for DALPA.....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Exactly. They better not cave. It was the whole premise with the CPS issue. It will continually get pushed. Here we are not even in section six and they are doing it.

Now they got two issues on their plate. I will file a grievance so that there is more than just one on record at DALPA.

 

[Monster Buck]

You need the time machine to go back to the 80s....However when you get there, you will get to hear the inflated mainline ego tell you that they don't want to fly "little" airplanes....

I enjoyed my times flying at the regionals and now I enjoy flying at the majors. You have been on here and posted about 1000 times how you don't want to and are not trying to go to a major. BUT you are constantly on the major boards. I think the truth is that you failed and are good at speaking so you try to spin it as something different. Funny...your actions speak louder than your mouth! Keep trying to spin how it was YOUR choice. Every time you come on the major boards it is further proof that you are full of sh1t!

 

[N813CA]

Monster Buck:

I have been stuck at the regionals for 8 years. I would love to work for mainline but for some reason our industry hasn't allowed it. IS that my fault?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

N813CA- 8 years these days is very common...esp in this decade. Joe is the token angry lifer, though. As they say, "He ain't right."

 

[PCL_128]

You need the time machine to go back to the 80s....However when you get there, you will get to hear the inflated mainline ego tell you that they don't want to fly "little" airplanes....

I hate to admit it, but Joey's right on this one. Everyone forgets that it was the mainline guys who didn't want to fly these airplanes, thinking that "just a few turboprops won't hurt anything," and then it eventually became "it's only a few 50-seaters. What harm could it be?"

The egos and lack of foresight caused this mess. Hopefully pilots are learning their lesson about the importance of scope, but I'm not so sure.

As for this scope violation, I hate to break it to you guys, but you don't have much of a chance of getting it enforced, even if you go to arbitration. Arbitrators aren't fond of telling companies to stop operating airframes that they've already been operating, even if the weight limit changed. The best you'll get out of this is probably a grievance settlement that gives you something else you'd like to have. This is why it's so important to not let the scope go in the first place. Once that E-175 is gone, the weight limit isn't going to really help you that much. The arbitrator will just consider it the same airframe, slap Delta on the wrist, and tell them not to do it again. That's about the best you can hope for in arbitration. The game is stacked against us.