1108 Union Leadership Abandons Hostages

[BornAgainPagan]

I have encouraged you and the others to place me on ignore. I expect it, want it and would be disappointed if you didn't.

Why? Because it reinforces my opinion that union members do not have the ability to listen to others that oppose thier views.

What a load of horsecrap! People don't listen to you because you're a certifiable whackjob. There is a BIG difference between having a cogent and well thought out opinion and shear stupidity. Yours is clearly the latter.

I have enough supportive PMs that come across to know that I'm stating what other's believe is valid opinion which they won't support openly due to the threatening behavior of union activists.

Oh yeah? I'm sure there are people that send supportive messages to Louis Farrakhan or Rush Limbaugh and even they feel they get the warm and fuzzies. Opposing valid opinions are fine. However, you're just a foolish radical extremist.

 

[Fedmagnet]

I hear that an IBT1108 consultant has been dry calling line pilots and spreading lies about the hostages to defend the union leaderships decision to abandon them.
This consultant sure seems like a busy guy and gets paid by the hour! I wonder how much Flops pays him?

 

[AceCrackshot]

When I was there, the majority felt we didn't need a union, we were the highest paid in the industry.

It's a shame that it's declined to this, and that those who were dedicated to Options success have taken such a hit. I really feel for you guys, this sucks.

Yep, I remember Engine Plug Ed and Bill Bilger telling me, to my face, "We'll match NetJets" "We're talking about what we need to give you guys to avoid the Teamsters..." when there was never any intention of matching NJ.

The fact that the whole "Matching NJ's contract" was huge stalling tactic was admitted to me, by a senior management member.

 

[AceCrackshot]

Too funny. I have to laugh at you rather than with you on this post.

I stopped posting links a long time ago, and the unionfacts.com website provides links to reputable articles which union members would prefer to ignore because the truth really hurts.

My opinions are not spoonfed. My opinions are independent and reflect that of management at any union based company. I write what others won't post.

You just can't believe how much your union and brethern are despised by your non-union coworkers and management that want no part of you. They live under the threat each and every day of the unions shutting down their company and changing their way of life due to the greed and selfishness of the mob.

I have encouraged you and the others to place me on ignore. I expect it, want it and would be disappointed if you didn't.

Why? Because it reinforces my opinion that union members do not have the ability to listen to others that oppose thier views.

I have no desperation, no agenda and desire except to expose the underbelly of this "stong union" concept which has historically destroyed companies, careers and families of those that are and are not union members. There is no crusade here, and I didn't fail as a professional pilot.

As a matter of fact, more than most I have been highly successful in my career because I followed my own lead independently without the need for a mob to negotiate my pay for me. I stand alone and on my own in my career, something that no union member can ever state.

I have enough supportive PMs that come across to know that I'm stating what other's believe is valid opinion which they won't support openly due to the threatening behavior of union activists.

I certainly don't need your validation to know that I speak the truth and have validity in my opinions.

No value added.

 

[slowjet]

No wonder there is no contract yet. Caving is not going to make it happen. If a contract is ever sent out for a vote, I can imagine what it will look like after all the caving.

The saying: LEAD, FOLLOW or GET OUT OF THE WAY.
"FOLLOW" should not apply to the President of the 1108.
The President should LEAD or GET OUT OF THE WAY.

CONTRACT NOW!

Why don"t you stop your crying and run for office if you"re so sheeit hot. Bet you are one of those types that wants a raise and all the protections of a contract but won't lift a finger to help. But, you'll take it when we have a contract.

 

[Fedmagnet]

Why don"t you stop your crying and run for office if you"re so sheeit hot. Bet you are one of those types that wants a raise and all the protections of a contract but won't lift a finger to help. But, you'll take it when we have a contract.

Thanks for the idea!
"Fedmagnet for President"

I will do more than lift a finger!
If I became the President, the consultant would not run the Union.

How is the "being patient and following managements desires" working out for you?

 

[B19 Flyer]

What a load of horsecrap! People don't listen to you because you're a certifiable whackjob. There is a BIG difference between having a cogent and well thought out opinion and shear stupidity. Yours is clearly the latter.

Oh yeah? I'm sure there are people that send supportive messages to Louis Farrakhan or Rush Limbaugh and even they feel they get the warm and fuzzies. Opposing valid opinions are fine. However, you're just a foolish radical extremist.

Why am I an extremist? Because I oppose the union view?

Any individual that is willing to put a company out of business and place the welfare of other workers at risk because the company is not willing to meet the demands of a particular workgroup is selfish, egotistical and ignorant. Just because some are silent doesn't mean that their opinions are any different than mine.

I'm anything but foolish, and I write what most think but won't say out loud.

I'm not opposed to high pay or fair work rules.

I am opposed to a CBA that restricts companies from doing business and expanding, scope clauses and the slow reaction that unions give to slipping economic climates that place jobs at risk, especially those workers that are at the mercy of any particular organized work group.

I'm opposed to the union concept of letting the bottom of the seniority order go to preserve high wages of the rest during times of poor economic climates.

I'm opposed to the turmoil unions bring through the negotiating process and the lingering effects throughout the organization.

I'm opposed to the union thinking that the CBA is only there to protect the union and when the union member wants something extra that protects the company and doesn't get it the whining that goes along with it.

I'm opposed to the damage I've witnessed to families of union members during work actions when they discover that strike pay won't cover the basic Cobra Insurance and the membership wasn't informed.

I could continue on this list but union members only see what they want to see and can't believe that anybody would ever disagree.

No company begins with a union, the union only comes on board because a small group within the company thinks that they can do better than the ownership that began the company.

Union members don't believe in the free market economy when it comes to wages.
They feel that the only way to make more money is to hold the company hostage and make the rest of the employees suffer.

 

[Fozzy]

So if we were paid less, the company may not lay off employee's? Really? So they are going to pay people to just sit around and do nothing? If a company is overstaffed why would the keep paying idled workers?
I would be like a contractor paying carpenters (sub's) when there is no building to be done.
I just don't understand the logic.

It seems I would be taking a unnecessary pay cut with the same end result. Seems like a bad personal financial decision.

I have had my FI fix for now. I think I will make this a drive-by.

 

[gunfyter]

I gotta agree with 19.

Unions suck.

Why should furloughs go by seniority order? The company can make more money furloughing more senior people who have invested More of their lives with a company.

Better to hire, use people up and then furlough when their pay grows too much higher than someone we can fetch off the street.

Why should people feel more secure in their jobs at a company as they invest more of their lives into it? Better to keep them more worried and on their toes. In fear always for their jobs.

Also ... wont it be cheaper for the company if they only hire unmarried males ... Why bear the cost of medical benefits to people who have families or might become pregnant?

Older folks ... they get sick more often. Should be furloughed first.

Yes I gotta agree with 19.

 

[slowjet]

Thanks for the idea!
"Fedmagnet for President"

I will do more than lift a finger!
If I became the President, the consultant would not run the Union.

How is the "being patient and following managements desires" working out for you?

Works just fine for me.
I want a president who uses his head to think- not crying and do the best job for us so we can have something worth voting "yes" the first time around- not a substandard piece of crap contract that has to be re-negotiated.
What are you going to do- run into Ken's office and make demands? We'll see how far that get's us.
Being "patient" is a something you have to endure on occasion. But, you have to be a mature person to have it.
End of discussion.