1108 Union Leadership Abandons Hostages

[993_Pilot]

I’m not choosing sides or trying to stir the pot. There were mistakes made by everyone and nothing is black and white.

I know Dwayne and he’s a good man. He fought the battle hard and thought he was doing it the way that 1108 wanted. Hell, he’s the father of my avatar.

There’s no question that he lost his job at FLOPS because of the position he held in the union. Whether he was betrayed or thrown under the bus, only the players involved know for sure...

No argument, I think he did everything with the best intentions, even if he was a bit over zealous in his execution. Like I said before, I don't have anything personal against him or anyone else here. However, I'm tired of those who would undermine our cause by spreading FUD and badmouthing the leaders of the 1108 and those of us who are still in the fight !

I think it’s time for everyone involved to recognize that Dwayne was a soldier for the cause, and a good one at that.

It's just too bad he still isn't. He has his opinion of the leaders of the 1108, and that's fine, he's free to voice them... just don't expect them to go unchallenged here, when other peoples opinions differ.

 

[fracjack]

No argument, I think he did everything with the best intentions, even if he was a bit over zealous in his execution. Like I said before, I don't have anything personal against him or anyone else here. However, I'm tired of those who would undermine our cause by spreading FUD and badmouthing the leaders of the 1108 and those of us who are still in the fight !



It's just too bad he still isn't. He has his opinion of the leaders of the 1108, and that's fine, he's free to voice them... just don't expect them to go unchallenged here, when other peoples opinions differ.

They are only leaders if you follow.

 

[993_Pilot]

They are only leaders if you follow.

Like Thomas Paine once said ...

"Lead, follow, or get out of the way".

Which are you going to do?

 

[fracjack]

Like Thomas Paine once said ...

"Lead, follow, or get out of the way".

Which are you going to do?

The way out of the 1108 kool-aid line is more complex then your simplistic quotation which seems quite indicative of your mental state. But so far there are 2 kool-aid lines and most in line don't know there's an option. The silent majority do. We will sit back for now and watch since there is no choice yet until this game plays out then we'll see if there is anything left.
1108 had a chance but sh*tting in their own bed doesnt promote unity.
Marty Levin should write another book based on what not to do using 1108 as an example.

 

[993_Pilot]

So far, you and Second Segment have done nothing more than spew a bunch of FUD. No logic, No sound reasoning, in fact no reasoning what so ever why an in-house would be better. Yet I (and others) have given you several why it's a bad idea. You talk big ... in very vague and general terms, but you can't deliver any valid reasoning ... just like your proposed in-house won't be able to deliver anything either! You might as well just jump on B19, Narrow Bridge and Skanza's anti-union bandwagon, because we all know that's your real agenda anyways. Will we get to see what your silent minority is made of soon?

 

[SecondSegment]

Oh Homer, I love it when you talk tough like that.

A little more viagra and testostrone and you'll sound just like Rambo.

 

[fracjack]

So far, you and Second Segment have done nothing more than spew a bunch of FUD. No logic, No sound reasoning, in fact no reasoning what so ever why an in-house would be better. Yet I (and others) have given you several why it's a bad idea. You talk big ... in very vague and general terms, but you can't deliver any valid reasoning ... just like your proposed in-house won't be able to deliver anything either! You might as well just jump on B19, Narrow Bridge and Skanza's anti-union bandwagon, because we all know that's your real agenda anyways. Will we get to see what your silent minority is made of soon?

Listen up dumb azz... I have not said anything about in house or timing of anything. The power at this point is with the 1108,the company,and mediator. IF and that's a big IF, there is a TA that will be ratified by the minority, and I'm convinced it's minority of pilots who are considered MIGS,then the action will start.
Here's another thing...I'm wasting my time on this board with all you ignorant, mouthy selfappointed experts spewing diarrhea of the mouth on bothsides. Those who reply will surely identify themselves. So unless you have something intelligent to add please just STFU.

 

[993_Pilot]

Oh Homer, I love it when you talk tough like that.

A little more viagra and testostrone and you'll sound just like Rambo.

No logic, No reasoning, just another clever response from 2nd Seg...
Well, at least we can always count on you for that.

Listen up dumb azz... I have not said anything about in house or timing of anything.

Well, actually "dumb azz", in post #124 you did say:

... most in line don't know there's an option. The silent majority do. We will sit back for now and watch since there is no choice yet until this game plays out then we'll see if there is anything left...

That "Option" wasn't speaking of an In-House or Timing?
Who's the "dumb azz" now?

The power at this point is with the 1108,the company,and mediator.

Mainly the company and the mediator, but eventually the mediator will see through the company's stall tactics and quit giving them the benefit of the doubt. When he releases us for self help, you'll quickly see that balance of power change.

IF and that's a big IF, there is a TA that will be ratified by the minority, and I'm convinced it's minority of pilots who are considered MIGS,...

Some people were convinced the world was flat too. Eventually you'll learn the truth.

...then the action will start.

Interesting timing for the "action". The way 2nd Seg mouths off, it sounded like the "action" was already starting. I guess he's all talk... but I suppose we already knew that.

Here's another thing...I'm wasting my time on this board with all you ignorant, mouthy selfappointed experts spewing diarrhea of the mouth on bothsides...

Yes, you are.

So unless you have something intelligent to add please just STFU.

I will happily STFU if you, 2nd Seg, B19, Narrow Bridge and Skanza will STFU too. How about it?

 

[SecondSegment]

Homer, You need to get a life and get away from your keyboard. The unemployment must be getting to you.

You obviously don't get it. Guys like you are not going to get it until it's a done deal. Even then you still won't get it. I'll recognize you with that "deer in the headlights look".

I'll bet you had a great "call in conference". Let me guess, Same old rhetoric. Same old "feed 'em crap and keep 'em in the dark". Suck it up buddy.

 

[993_Pilot]

Drink some more Cool-aide 2nd Seg.

 

[SecondSegment]

Oh, Right! You already have the deer in the headlights look.

Gotta love those call in conferences. Nothing like a little democracy. In other words, "Just Shut Up and Keep Sending the Money". and "No we aint telling you nothing". Leaves you feeling like you're walking with a limp? Eh Homer? A little sore in he but? That's representation all right.

 

[petebest]

Flops in-house union?

“The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.”
Jack London

We already know that the leader of this minuscule band of in-housers at Flops is none other than J.L.H. Eastern scab and friend of B.T. (check the list). What we don’t know; is J.L.H. also “Second Segment”, “fracjack”, or both? What’s not surprising is that this guy once again shows his true colors. He sold is soul over at Eastern now he is in cahoots with management at Flops. He hopes to spread his cowardice to other pilots and form an impotent in-house so he can be sure no one will ever ask him to man up and stand with his brothers during a strike. This he knows he cannot do, because deep down he knows he doesn’t have the stones for it. This is the kind of guy that would turn tail and run from a real fight.

Think about it, the only promise these in-housers can seem to make is, “join us and you will not have to strike.” I guess we are also to infer from this that if they were successful in becoming the certified representatives of the Flops pilots, they would be unwilling to apply any pressure to management to get a deal? An in-house would be management’s wet dream and J.L.H. knows it, but he doesn’t care, as long as he isn’t exposed, again, for the scab that he is. Or maybe he was promised something in return?

Pete

 

[993_Pilot]

Oh, Right! You already have the deer in the headlights look.

Gotta love those call in conferences. Nothing like a little democracy. In other words, "Just Shut Up and Keep Sending the Money". and "No we aint telling you nothing". Leaves you feeling like you're walking with a limp? Eh Homer? A little sore in he but? That's representation all right.

You live in a democracy... are you privy to everything going on in the white house, congress or the senate? No, because it is a representative democracy. Still you are forced to pay your taxes, regardless. The union is the same. We have elected leaders that represent the entire union, except the dues are voluntary for now. You may not have participated in the election, and you may not have voted for Obama either. That's your choice.
Obviously you're the ignoramus here. You either have no idea how this works or you just want others to be frustrated with the process so they'll abandon the IBT and come running to your lame in-house. I'm sure that you (and management) would love to have the 1108 break the silence requested by the mediator. Well sorry, but it isn't going to happen. If you want to blame someone, blame the authors of the RLA, because the process is working exactly as it is supposed to. I will admit that the process is a bit frustrating , but we knew that going in, and we will see this through to the end.
I won't be surprise if petebest is right and you are the former Eastern scab he mentions.

btw, I changed my avatar for you, since I know how much you hate Homer's Deer-in-the-Headlights look. Maybe you'll like the headlights on this one... then again, maybe your tastes run differently.

 

[fracjack]

You live in a democracy... are you privy to everything going on in the white house, congress or the senate? No, because it is a representative democracy. Still you are forced to pay your taxes, regardless. The union is the same. We have elected leaders that represent the entire union, except the dues are voluntary for now. You may not have participated in the election, and you may not have voted for Obama either. That's your choice.
Obviously you're the ignoramus here. .

Since when did the rules change again on dues being voluntary? A new definition for ignoramus? Almost unbelievable statement Homer but I have to consider the source.

 

[993_Pilot]

Since when did the rules change again on dues being voluntary? A new definition for ignoramus? Almost unbelievable statement Homer but I have to consider the source.

Dues have been voluntary since the beginning, however, if you choose not to pay, then you won't be a member in good standing, which is a requirement for voting, among other things... but you already knew that. If you don't pay your taxes to Uncle Sam, you'll quickly become a felon and lose a few privileges that come with that distinction too, like... (wait for it)
...
...
... Not being eligible to vote!
Imagine that! You've got to pay to play, there are no free rides. The 1108 was voted in by the majority, is still supported by the majority, and is here to stay. If you don't like it, then you're free to quit your job and move move outside the USA to somewhere there are no unions or taxes. Don't let the door hit you in the "azz" on your way out.

I know you're gonna spout off that the MIGS aren't a majority, but you're all bark, no bite and wrong as can be. If that were true, you wouldn't waste your time arguing here on FI and spend it starting your In-House instead. You know you don't have anywhere close to the support that you claim, so you come here to spread the FUD hoping to gain it. Nice try "dumb azz"!

Let me know when you're ready to STFU.

 

[jetwash]

What is all of this discussion about an "in house" union?

I have not heard anyone say they wanted to throw out the IBT1108 and form an "in house union" except one or two posters on Fight Info who are probably tied to managers at FLOPS. So lets not get worked up about this since it won't happen, they would need support from the majority of pilots at FLOPS and that support is not there.

Don't worry about the distractions and focus on the goal.

 

[SecondSegment]

Homer,

Nice Boobs & Thanks for helping prove my point.

If guys like me have the balls to call 'em like they see 'em, then things change. Just like your avitar.

Now, unfortunately, things aren't always what they appear to be.
1, Fake Boobs.
2, Union that presents its self as a democratic majority. It's a minority dictatorship that lost support and will be replaced.
3, Dude Looks Like a Lady. Dude Really...... Next you'll be showing some leg with a garter.


BTW, I signed the petition that got Glen Beck trashed. Dude, if you're a Real Lib, then you should be a little tuned in to what we are doing here.

 

[fracjack]

Put down the crackpipe Homer. You have a career awaiting you sniffing out underwear bombers. Who said inhouse dumbazz? 1108 is creating the support for a change not this FI drivel.

 

[shanes123]

there are a group of FO pilots trying to get a decertification vote out..Good source that works in that office told me this..management knows about it and is welcoming it..This is absolutly fact..they feel there the majority and will be succesful..I believe most are in the embraer fleet..I have also heard they actually have a web site..but havent been able to confirm that..

 

[993_Pilot]

...Nice Boobs

Thanks, glad you liked them.

If guys like me have the balls to call 'em like they see 'em, then things change. Just like your avitar.

If guys like you had balls at all, you'd wear a lanyard and openly show support for your in-house instead of hiding in the shadows and spreading FUD here on FI. btw, I changed the avatar to add a little "headlight" humor, not becasue I felt pressured by the likes of you. Way to try and steal the credit for something you really didn't have any control over though... I bet your In-House will attempt a lot more of that in the days to came.
In the mean time, enjoy the new headlight...

BTW, I signed the petition that got Glen Beck trashed. Dude, if you're a Real Lib, then you should be a little tuned in to what we are doing here.

Glen beck is an idiot, but I'm no liberal. I was simply trying to make a point about a representative democracy, but apparently it was lost on you.

Who said inhouse dumbazz?

You talked about it "dumb azz". Remember post #124? Just because you didn't use the term "In-House" doesn't mean squat. Anyone else that read post #124 knows what you meant.